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#Post#: 16327--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: March 1, 2020, 3:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> [quote author=referee12 link=topic=1405.msg16260#msg16260
date=1582924340]
> I agree rob jones and Darren England for promotion and var
should be available at all grounds from the 3rd rd onwards and
not in places where it isnt
>
--- End Quote ---
Really pleased to see Darren England rewarded for the most
shocking decision of the season in the 3rd round game involving
Derby County by being appointed to this round. Clearly forgiven
and **** ups count for very little if your face fits
[/quote]
It wasn't that bad... :-[ ;D
#Post#: 16333--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: March 2, 2020, 2:34 am
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--- Quote from: Bakis link ---
>
> Surely 'all in' would be impractical on cost and installation
time grounds, and 'all out' would raise objections from those
playing at grounds where it is available? Unless and until VAR
reaches the Extra Preliminary Round there will always be a
junction point, all that will change over time is where this is.
And after all it is no more than an additional resource not a
requirement (ducks for cover).
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. They're not in a position, certainly currently, to do
it in all games from an early round. The options then are either
don't use it at all (in which case there will inevitably be a
clear error in the final or whatever and people will say 'why
not use VAR if you can?' or you use it where you can, which is
what they've done.)
At least the current system means the use of VAR is dictated by
the draw. It's like how some teams play away to Man City and
some are at home to Grimsby Town.
#Post#: 16338--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: TVOS
Date: March 2, 2020, 9:10 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1405.msg16195#msg16195
date=1582710517]
> Surely 'all in' would be impractical on cost and installation
time grounds, and 'all out' would raise objections from those
playing at grounds where it is available? Unless and until VAR
reaches the Extra Preliminary Round there will always be a
junction point, all that will change over time is where this is.
And after all it is no more than an additional resource not a
requirement (ducks for cover).
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. They're not in a position, certainly currently, to do
it in all games from an early round. The options then are either
don't use it at all (in which case there will inevitably be a
clear error in the final or whatever and people will say 'why
not use VAR if you can?' or you use it where you can, which is
what they've done.)
At least the current system means the use of VAR is dictated by
the draw. It's like how some teams play away to Man City and
some are at home to Grimsby Town.
[/quote]
Not really, as that's an uncontrollable situation, based on a
random draw.
Your other logic is also flawed. By the time of the final, there
is only one match and only two teams playing and therefore, they
are equally likely to benefit or otherwise from VAR. It has no
effect on who they could play in the next round, for example, so
it should be used.
However, the system as it is at present benefits some matches,
but not others, which can't be right.
#Post#: 16342--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: March 2, 2020, 9:28 am
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1405.msg16333#msg16333
date=1583138083]
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1405.msg16195#msg16195
date=1582710517]
> Surely 'all in' would be impractical on cost and installation
time grounds, and 'all out' would raise objections from those
playing at grounds where it is available? Unless and until VAR
reaches the Extra Preliminary Round there will always be a
junction point, all that will change over time is where this is.
And after all it is no more than an additional resource not a
requirement (ducks for cover).
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. They're not in a position, certainly currently, to do
it in all games from an early round. The options then are either
don't use it at all (in which case there will inevitably be a
clear error in the final or whatever and people will say 'why
not use VAR if you can?' or you use it where you can, which is
what they've done.)
At least the current system means the use of VAR is dictated by
the draw. It's like how some teams play away to Man City and
some are at home to Grimsby Town.
[/quote]
Not really, as that's an uncontrollable situation, based on a
random draw.
Your other logic is also flawed. By the time of the final, there
is only one match and only two teams playing and therefore, they
are equally likely to benefit or otherwise from VAR. It has no
effect on who they could play in the next round, for example, so
it should be used.
However, the system as it is at present benefits some matches,
but not others, which can't be right.
[/quote]
The same random draw also plays a part in dictating which teams
have VAR and which don't. If the draw had been Sheffield United
V Reading this week then both teams would have had VAR but
because it's Reading V Sheffield United then it won't be used.
I also don't really agree with your logic for it being ok to use
VAR in the final but not before. If you're happy for Manchester
City (for instance) to win the final after a VAR decision but
for Manchester United to get knocked out in the fifth round
because there's no VAR, then why aren't you also happy for
Chelsea benefit from a VAR decision in the fifth round but for
Manchester United to get knocked out because there's no VAR.
Manchester United are still out of the cup either way and some
teams have benefited from VAR.
If Reading get knocked out tomorrow night because of an offside
goal that would have been corrected with VAR then I'm not fussed
if Spurs or Norwich go through because VAR gets the decision
correct, because we're still out either way.
#Post#: 16343--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: TVOS
Date: March 2, 2020, 9:35 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=1405.msg16338#msg16338
date=1583161840]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1405.msg16333#msg16333
date=1583138083]
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1405.msg16195#msg16195
date=1582710517]
> Surely 'all in' would be impractical on cost and installation
time grounds, and 'all out' would raise objections from those
playing at grounds where it is available? Unless and until VAR
reaches the Extra Preliminary Round there will always be a
junction point, all that will change over time is where this is.
And after all it is no more than an additional resource not a
requirement (ducks for cover).
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. They're not in a position, certainly currently, to do
it in all games from an early round. The options then are either
don't use it at all (in which case there will inevitably be a
clear error in the final or whatever and people will say 'why
not use VAR if you can?' or you use it where you can, which is
what they've done.)
At least the current system means the use of VAR is dictated by
the draw. It's like how some teams play away to Man City and
some are at home to Grimsby Town.
[/quote]
Not really, as that's an uncontrollable situation, based on a
random draw.
Your other logic is also flawed. By the time of the final, there
is only one match and only two teams playing and therefore, they
are equally likely to benefit or otherwise from VAR. It has no
effect on who they could play in the next round, for example, so
it should be used.
However, the system as it is at present benefits some matches,
but not others, which can't be right.
[/quote]
The same random draw also plays a part in dictating which teams
have VAR and which don't. If the draw had been Sheffield United
V Reading this week then both teams would have had VAR but
because it's Reading V Sheffield United then it won't be used.
I also don't really agree with your logic for it being ok to use
VAR in the final but not before. If you're happy for Manchester
City (for instance) to win the final after a VAR decision but
for Manchester United to get knocked out in the fifth round
because there's no VAR, then why aren't you also happy for
Chelsea benefit from a VAR decision in the fifth round but for
Manchester United to get knocked out because there's no VAR.
Manchester United are still out of the cup either way and some
teams have benefited from VAR.
If Reading get knocked out tomorrow night because of an offside
goal that would have been corrected with VAR then I'm not fussed
if Spurs or Norwich go through because VAR gets the decision
correct, because we're still out either way.
[/quote]
Why do they have a fifth official for the final and not other
rounds?
Why are the last two rounds played on neutral grounds but the
others aren't?
What would happen if some Premier League grounds had VAR and
others didn't, thereby affecting league fixtures?
This could go round in circles for ever.
As the Small Faces said, it's got to be all or nothing!
#Post#: 16344--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: March 2, 2020, 9:39 am
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But saying you're happy to use VAR in the final but not earlier
rounds is not All or Nothing - it is just a different version of
some games having VAR and some not.
#Post#: 16346--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: TVOS
Date: March 2, 2020, 9:59 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> But saying you're happy to use VAR in the final but not
earlier rounds is not All or Nothing - it is just a different
version of some games having VAR and some not.
>
--- End Quote ---
Where did I say I was "happy"? You're just splitting hairs.
It makes no odds to me when they use it, but for the competition
to retain any sense of propriety, it has to be seen to be fair
to all its competitors.
However, by the time we reach the final, commonsense dictates we
are at the last two teams, nobody else is affected and the
trophy is at stake, so let's try to make this particular game as
'error free' as possible, if only for integrity.
Every team in the competition up to then would have played by
exactly the same rules and regulations and the showpiece game
deserves everything to be right and proper, as far as possible.
And if this is all known in advance, would anyone in their right
mind really object?
#Post#: 16350--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: March 2, 2020, 10:09 am
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I'd argue that if they can get things right and devoid of errors
as far as possible in as many games as possible they should go
for that and that all teams know the regulations in advance now
- it is just that it's 'VAR will be used at any match at a PL
ground' rather than 'VAR will be used at the final'.
#Post#: 16351--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: JohnCoyle
Date: March 2, 2020, 10:11 am
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1405.msg16344#msg16344
date=1583163550]
> But saying you're happy to use VAR in the final but not
earlier rounds is not All or Nothing - it is just a different
version of some games having VAR and some not.
>
--- End Quote ---
Where did I say I was "happy"? You're just splitting hairs.
It makes no odds to me when they use it, but for the competition
to retain any sense of propriety, it has to be seen to be fair
to all its competitors.
However, by the time we reach the final, commonsense dictates we
are at the last two teams, nobody else is affected and the
trophy is at stake, so let's try to make this particular game as
'error free' as possible, if only for integrity.
Every team in the competition up to then would have played by
exactly the same rules and regulations and the showpiece game
deserves everything to be right and proper, as far as possible.
And if this is all known in advance, would anyone in their right
mind really object?
[/quote]
What you're suggesting has been done for the Carabao Cup for the
last couple of seasons (in that case semis and final) and no-one
seems to have any great objections to that. I think it's a
better solution than having some games in a round with VAR and
some not. The worst is where you have VAR for the first game and
no VAR for the replay, or vice-versa.
#Post#: 16357--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Fifth Round Proper (Mon 2nd Thu 5th
MAR 2020)
DIR By: Hendo
Date: March 2, 2020, 10:26 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Hendo link=topic=1405.msg16281#msg16281
date=1582994370]
> [quote author=referee12 link=topic=1405.msg16260#msg16260
date=1582924340]
> I agree rob jones and Darren England for promotion and var
should be available at all grounds from the 3rd rd onwards and
not in places where it isnt
>
--- End Quote ---
Really pleased to see Darren England rewarded for the most
shocking decision of the season in the 3rd round game involving
Derby County by being appointed to this round. Clearly forgiven
and **** ups count for very little if your face fits
[/quote]
While not wishing to comment on the alleged *** ups because I
haven't seen the footage, I can certainly assent to the
proposition that Darren England's face "fits".
[/quote]
Footage here - check 1 min 30 secs approx. No free kick given.
if there has been a worse decision all season then i haven't
seen it
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US0bMTWEcbo
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