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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 3, 2020, 11:24 am
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I don't understand how the incident in the Bournemouth V Aston
Villa game isn't a penalty - the goalkeeper has completely
missed the ball and punched the attacker! They very rarely seem
to be given.
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: ajb95
Date: February 3, 2020, 12:06 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> I don't understand how the incident in the Bournemouth V Aston
Villa game isn't a penalty - the goalkeeper has completely
missed the ball and punched the attacker! They very rarely seem
to be given.
>
--- End Quote ---
Agreed and Dermot Gallagher on ref watch saying that no referee
has given this incident and never will. If that was a defender
on an attacker he would be saying penalty!
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: February 3, 2020, 2:46 pm
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--- Quote from: TundeP link ---
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> [quote author=dave26 link=topic=1352.msg15317#msg15317
date=1580727961]
> For me Pawson is extremely weak he is very easily swayed by
players and also by their reactions
>
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To me it seemed as he was taking the advice of the AR, Richard
West, who had a good view of the incident.
To anyone who thinks Pawson is extremely weak: watch the Ajax -
PAOK game Champions League qualifier.
On a different note: I am sure a large number of people here
won't agree, but the more I read this forum, the more I"m
getting the impression that, apart from the language, it is not
all that different from what one gets on Twitter. Constant
criticism of referees, sometimes for good reason, sometimes for
no better reason than the poster likes / doesn't like the
referee in question. Judgements based on looks and impressions
(e.g. "he looks uninterested"). One or two favourites who can do
no wrong, and if they do, that is part of their "personality".
Well, my impression is that there are too many people on here
who are deeply envious of the referees they criticise. I don't
mean the criticism when they have a bad game, that is only fair.
But all too often a kind of jealousy mixed with contempt comes
through. The posters on here should be better than that.
[/quote]
I said very similar in my earlier post in this thread... ;)
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: February 3, 2020, 4:52 pm
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Re Sterling's foul v Spurs, I see Clattenburg as well as Hackett
and I think Halsey have all said it should have been a RC and
that Dean should have been advised to look at the monitor. The
YC did have 1 supporter among the ex FIFA refs on tv, the Press
or social media - yep, dear old Dermot. No surprise there!
#Post#: 15375--------------------------------------------------
Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: February 3, 2020, 6:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
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> It did occur to me whether Sterling was genuinely concerned
for the welfare of his opponent or feared what colour card might
be coming his way.
> Players stretching or lunging forward like that at pace will
always create a potential problem if they miss the ball and get
the man. Personally, I felt it was more than just an easy
yellow.
>
--- End Quote ---
From his reaction Sterling seemed to be surprised that he was
even getting a yellow card!
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: February 3, 2020, 6:19 pm
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Isn't one VAR solution to have ex-referees making the Stockley
Park decisions as they won't be thinking the on field referee
might be at the controls when they next referee? There might
also then be some consistency with decisions if a small team was
doing the job regularly.
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: JohnCoyle
Date: February 4, 2020, 3:57 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
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> Isn't one VAR solution to have ex-referees making the Stockley
Park decisions as they won't be thinking the on field referee
might be at the controls when they next referee? There might
also then be some consistency with decisions if a small team was
doing the job regularly.
>
--- End Quote ---
I've thought this from the outset. Really, it's a specialised
job and would be ideal for recently retired referees. Also
there's a shortage of top referees anyway- let them do the job
out on the pitch.
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 4, 2020, 4:39 am
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The idea of using former referees could be considered but I'm
not sure the problems lie in that area and that suddenly
everything will be working well.
You can say there's a shortage of top referees but in the main
the major difference it's made to SG1 referees is they're now
VARs rather than Fourth Officials. UEFA/FIFA also seem to prefer
using current referees so you'd need at least some to be doing
PL VAR regularly.
Who are these former officials who are going to come back and do
it? Are they really going to be any better than those who've had
training and seminars on it for the last 3 years? Are they going
to be in touch with current laws and interpretations?
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: February 4, 2020, 4:56 am
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Re Sterling, I don't doubt that had Dean showed a red card it
would not have been changed by VAR. However, the issue is that
from my observations and from debates on here there is a massive
overlap between the different levels of sanction for similar
challenges - in the extreme there are some challenges that go
unpunished by one referee where an equivalent (in my eyes)
challenge receives a red card from another. Hence how to define
a clear and obvious error? Given my preferences folk won't be
surprised that I relate back to the challenge by Besic on
Laporte in the game against Sheffield United. Far, far worse in
my view than the Sterling challenge - I've obviously missed the
extensive debate on here concerning that. Add that Besic
appeared to be congratulated for his challenge by his team mates
.....
I'd also relate to Madley's reversed Red card to Yellow after
viewing on the monitor - this seemed to me broadly comparable
to the Sterling challenge.
Mitigating factors - Sterling and Alli approached the ball at,
roughly, right angles to each other - had the challenge been
head on I think it would have more likely have been a red card.
So as Sterling committed to play the ball Alli's leg was not in
line with with Sterling's trajectory and Sterling had reasonable
prospects of getting the ball. In the end Sterling was slightly
late. In the Besic challenge Besic was nowhere near getting the
ball. In the Sterling Alli challenge whichever player got to
the ball first was likely to get caught and the timing was
close.
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Re: Decisions - weekend 1/2 February
DIR By: JohnCoyle
Date: February 4, 2020, 6:49 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> The idea of using former referees could be considered but I'm
not sure the problems lie in that area and that suddenly
everything will be working well.
>
> You can say there's a shortage of top referees but in the main
the major difference it's made to SG1 referees is they're now
VARs rather than Fourth Officials. UEFA/FIFA also seem to prefer
using current referees so you'd need at least some to be doing
PL VAR regularly.
>
> Who are these former officials who are going to come back and
do it? Are they really going to be any better than those who've
had training and seminars on it for the last 3 years? Are they
going to be in touch with current laws and interpretations?
>
--- End Quote ---
Surely former referees who become observers/ coaches/ assessors
must remain conversant with the current laws etc? It's just one
step further to bring them up to speed with the VAR protocols.
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