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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: Skydank
Date: January 22, 2020, 4:32 am
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Hi Ref Watcher
Good to see we are mostly on the same page again.
I obviously didn't make myself clear, I didn't mean to imply he
was biased against Peterborough as I said he didn't caution for
players from both teams for challenges that maybe warranted it
based on previous cautions.
However, I do think that it was obvious he would caution the
next Peterborough player to commit a foul after the sending-off,
if nothing more than to 'manage' the game.
Agree that the 4th official got the handball decision correct,
but not sure how the LOTG accommodate this?
As you stated, his officiating did lead to frustration all round
which could contribute to his number of Red Cards.
All correct in themselves, but born out of frustration of
earlier decisions
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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: January 22, 2020, 6:56 am
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Does seem to suggest that poor officiating in the first place
leads to players getting frustrated and then the cards flourish.
Kettle and Young fall nicely into that bracket.
#Post#: 15013--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: January 22, 2020, 8:13 am
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--- Quote from: Skydank link ---
>
> Agree that the 4th official got the handball decision correct,
but not sure how the LOTG accommodate this?
>
--- End Quote ---
Law 6.
The referee, assistant referees, fourth official, additional
assistant referees and reserve assistant referee are the
‘on-field’ match officials.
With the exception of the reserve assistant referee, the
‘on-field’ match officials assist the referee with offences when
they have a clearer view than the referee
:)
#Post#: 15014--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: Skydank
Date: January 22, 2020, 8:26 am
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Thanks for the clarification.
Thought, they could still only 'report on offences where they
have a better view', after the match.
#Post#: 15015--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: SuffolkRef
Date: January 22, 2020, 8:44 am
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To be fair to Alan Young the Northampton defender certainly
handled the ball for the Leyton Orient penalty. It was a pity
that Young missed the shove in the back that the defender
received in that incident.
#Post#: 15021--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: nemesis
Date: January 22, 2020, 4:34 pm
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> Does seem to suggest that poor officiating in the first place
leads to players getting frustrated and then the cards flourish.
Kettle and Young fall nicely into that bracket.
>
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Kettle, Young and Breakspear are all very poor referees. It's no
co-incidence that they all hold individual card records !!
#Post#: 15022--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: nemesis
Date: January 22, 2020, 4:35 pm
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--- Quote from: SuffolkRef link ---
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> To be fair to Alan Young the Northampton defender certainly
handled the ball for the Leyton Orient penalty. It was a pity
that Young missed the shove in the back that the defender
received in that incident.
>
--- End Quote ---
A pity ? Yes. Surprising ? No.
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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: January 22, 2020, 6:03 pm
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A general theme seems to be prominent on these boards... the
puzzle of how Young has managed to be elevated into the NL when
the majority of his performances scrutinised here draw very bad
reviews.
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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: January 23, 2020, 2:59 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> A general theme seems to be prominent on these boards... the
puzzle of how Young has managed to be elevated into the NL when
the majority of his performances scrutinised here draw very bad
reviews.
>
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Even more puzling is why he was given such a high profile ( For
Division 1 ) top of the table clash at Ipswich towards the end
of last year. Just about the most senior match which could be
awarded to a NL referee and one in which he amply displayed his
complete inability to officiate at anything remotely like a
level of basic competence.
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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: January 23, 2020, 4:17 am
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--- Quote from: SuffolkRef link ---
>
> To be fair to Alan Young the Northampton defender certainly
handled the ball for the Leyton Orient penalty. It was a pity
that Young missed the shove in the back that the defender
received in that incident.
>
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I was at the match, watching with interest.
He appeared blindsided for the 'handball' that lead to the
penalty so was unable to see the push in the back, that caused
the handball, which is shown clearly on the video.
Prior to that, early in the first half he could/should have red
carded a Leyton player for very serious foul play instead of
just a caution. It probably fell, wrongly, into the "too early"
category which didn't enhance him with the crowd or players.
Regarding the red cards following the penalty, having seen the
footage from behind the goal it appears that our player
forcefully attempted to retrieve the ball from a home player who
was running away with it in hand. Another home player came in
at speed and 'rugby tackled' our player into the advertising
hoardings. Obviously a melee occurred, which looked mainly
handbags but our player and the rugby tackler were red carded
which was probably a justifiable sanction.
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