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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 1, 2020, 1:47 pm
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> , it was stupid yes but in the day and age where our Prime
Minister and other politicians say far worse things on an almost
daily basis, often with malice, and no-one seems to bat an eye
about it I feel the punishment far outweighed the crime.
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I think it's pushing it to say no one bats an eye lid but it's
fair to say people often escape the punishment they perhaps
deserve. However, I think it's a dangerous path to go down if we
suggest the fact some senior people get away with things means
the rest of us should too. Rather, we should look to ensure
those in positions of responsibility don't abuse their position.
I think the fact a video was specifically filmed is a point that
shouldn't completely be ignored. I'm not sure that the filming
of people with disabilities in this way should in any way be
encouraged.
I have a disability myself and if some random person started
filming me when I was out and about and said 'I'm just going to
send this to my mate as a private joke', I don't think I would
feel very comfortable and would find it a bit odd (we obviously
don't know the exact context.)
Perhaps a suitable analogy (to return to the football/refereeing
theme) is a defender going to ground in the penalty area and not
getting the ball or a player who petulantly (rather than
violently) raises their hands to an opponent - you might escape
the most severe punishment but you are taking a risk with your
actions and you have to accept what the consequences might be.
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: Retiredref
Date: January 1, 2020, 3:43 pm
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Very honest account and seems to really try to put the facts out
in a very objective way - mostly, though his comparison of his
actions to those of "a politician" were stretching it a bit.
There's a great quote (from Jurassic Park, which is probably not
known for its philosophical content): "I don't blame people
for their mistakes, but I do ask that they pay for them." And
that's basically how I see this: The consequences of the actions
must be faced and, whilst very strong, I don't think there's
anything unfair about the consequences he's had to face.
On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine what
it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken away
over something entirely within your control. I hope he can move
on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the future.
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: January 2, 2020, 2:24 am
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> Very honest account and seems to really try to put the facts
out in a very objective way - mostly, though his comparison of
his actions to those of "a politician" were stretching it a bit.
> There's a great quote (from Jurassic Park, which is probably
not known for its philosophical content): "I don't blame
people for their mistakes, but I do ask that they pay for them."
And that's basically how I see this: The consequences of the
actions must be faced and, whilst very strong, I don't think
there's anything unfair about the consequences he's had to face.
> On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine
what it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken
away over something entirely within your control. I hope he can
move on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the
future.
>
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I agree with the Jurassic Park quote about paying for mistakes.
The question seems to be , what is a fair price ? Madley has
paid a very, very steep price in my view. Whether it is a fair
price in the circumstances is more open to debate and without
knowing more of the material facts I'm not sure I am able to say
for certain.
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: January 2, 2020, 3:56 am
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And of course there are other ways of paying than draconian
punishment. Reparation is a very good way of paying also.
Madley's contrition appears genuine. Of course it's always
difficult to know whether someone is contrite for the deed or
contrite for having been caught and only he will genuinely know
that but, re-reading his words, I tend to the former view.
Therefore a good form of reparation might have been for Madley
to have been publicly contrite, explain why he now understands
his action in filming and comment were offensive, apologise and
then take up some responsibility for being an advocate for
disabled people in sport.
If such a course of action was followed then indeed a price
would be paid, in fact being in the public domain admitting that
one has behaved appallingly and seeking to make amends is a fair
price and it would mean that all of Madley's experience as a
senior referee would not be lost to football.
There is a view that only severe punishment can rightly express
society's outrage, I think it is all more nuanced than that.
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: RefObserver
Date: January 2, 2020, 4:21 am
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> Im disabled myself Reflector and I have to say I'm not
insulted by what he did because it was self depreciation not an
attack on someone else. I have a back injury from 1997 that has
seen a major degeneration of my spine, particularly over the
last 10 years where I have now all but lost my mobility
altogether. I can no longer even stand up unaided. Walking I
have my little old granny frame (as I call it) with wheels and
seriously a snail could make it the whole way around a football
pitch in the time it would take me to shuffle from the tech area
to the byline, I understand self depreciation because I do it
all the time. I have one particular friend who will often give
me a lift when I need to go anywhere, he's 78. Every single time
he comes round to pick me up he puts the kettle on & tells me to
get going to the car & he'll give me a cuppa head start, I laugh
and leave him to his cuppa while I shuffle off to the car, he's
not actually beaten me to the car yet but I never have to wait
long! It is a joke between us, he's not discriminating against
me because I am disabled. As a pensioner he no longer works but
I'd never dream of saying to his boss if he had one that he was
behaving in a discriminatory manner especially over a long
standing self deprecating joke. Trust me in 6 secs of video of
me you'd have a hard time ascertaining if I was walking or just
standing - I'd not move a whole lot in that short a time!
>
> This explanation around the context, a suspension and
'appropriate training' would have, imo, been accepted by the
majority 18 months ago, it was stupid yes but in the day and age
where our Prime Minister and other politicians say far worse
things on an almost daily basis, often with malice, and no-one
seems to bat an eye about it I feel the punishment far
outweighed the crime.
>
> It does however remain a lesson as to how quick you can lose
everything you have worked for & I'm glad that Bobby has decided
to use it to advise & show younger referees just how careful you
need to be.
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I'm also registered disabled with walking difficulties.
I agree with you and am not insulted by this in any way.
I accept the recipient may have been and some form of discipline
was required but to say what happened was disproportionate is an
under statement.
I wish Bobby every success in the future.
Given this has happened it would not surprise me in the least to
see/hear him as a pundit on our screens/radio in the near
future.
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: guest42
Date: January 2, 2020, 7:49 am
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> On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine
what it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken
away over something entirely within your control. I hope he can
move on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the
future.
>
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He’s just been named on the Referee list for the 2020
PostNord-ligaen season (the third tier of football in Norway) -
when most officials would have to start in the 7th or 8th
Divisions (the equivalent of local Parks Football).
He will be a good asset for the Norwegian FA as he’s already
been going around giving talks at the various County Refereeing
Conventions the winter just gone and talking to younger
officials in aid to their development (he made several visits to
the Norway Cup in the summer to do this - as well as meeting the
English Referee cohort that go there every year) - seems as if
he’s adjusted to life in Norway very well
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: January 2, 2020, 10:53 am
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> [quote author=Retiredref link=topic=1282.msg14388#msg14388
date=1577915019]
> On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine
what it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken
away over something entirely within your control. I hope he can
move on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the
future.
>
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He’s just been named on the Referee list for the 2020
PostNord-ligaen season (the third tier of football in Norway) -
when most officials would have to start in the 7th or 8th
Divisions (the equivalent of local Parks Football).
He will be a good asset for the Norwegian FA as he’s already
been going around giving talks at the various County Refereeing
Conventions the winter just gone and talking to younger
officials in aid to their development (he made several visits to
the Norway Cup in the summer to do this - as well as meeting the
English Referee cohort that go there every year) - seems as if
he’s adjusted to life in Norway very well
[/quote]
Perhaps Norway will be the place where he finds redemption. I
hope so.
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: nemesis
Date: January 2, 2020, 4:54 pm
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> It's a very honest account and I suspect something quite
cathartic for him to have put the facts in the public domain.
What he did with filming the disabled person was crass and
stupid. I draw these conclusions.
>
> Shibboleths and totems change and if you are deemed to have
transgressed current orthodoxies then the price you pay is
indeed huge and very far reaching and perhaps, perhaps, seems
disproportionate. If it were a first misdemeanour of this kind I
would have expected a warning, a suspension and some mandatory
Equality and Disability Awareness training. One would need to
see his Contract as to whether such an eventuality was spelled
out in the case of such a transgression.
>
> Trust no-one with information or comments you wouldn't want
broadcast on the 6 o clock News. Vengefulness is a pretty base
human emotion and professionally I have seen the result, first
hand, of such score settling when relationships break down.
>
> Social media is a very, very dangerous tool. I avoid it like
the proverbial plague. An honorable exception is RTR of course
which is brilliantly moderated. Does this count as social media?
Forgive my ignorance of definitions of popular culture.
>
> I am grateful that I have never achieved celebrity status in
my chosen field. It might massage the ego for a bit but it is a
terrible burden to carry.
>
>
> I am sure Madley needs no convincing as to his foolishness. He
has paid the highest of prices for it. I wish him well in his
future life and hope it is not blighted by regrets but rather
marked by new achievements.
>
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Wonderfully put, Whistleblower.
I'll admit I disliked Bobby Madley as a referee but I do feel he
has been shabbily treated here, from several directions, and I
suspect he himself has probably done more to aid the disabled
than most of those sitting in judgement on him.
Using a short clip of film as a prop for a cheap
self-deprecating joke seems in poor taste and possibly an
invasion of privacy but for me discrimination is the unjust or
prejudicial treatment of different categories of people,
especially on the grounds of race, age, disability or sex.
I see the discrimination card played regularly and often far
from correctly, with some authorities not brave enough to see
it.
Whilst the Political Correctness bandwagon rumbles on,
organisations are so keen to be making a huge stand over
perceived discrimination I sometimes wonder what they are trying
to hide.
I wish him well in the future.
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: spk
Date: January 3, 2020, 4:33 am
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Here is a link from an interview in a Norwegian newspaper. It
more or less says the same.
HTML https://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/i/Ad9Bax/pl-dommer-avsloerer-hvorfor-han-fikk-sparken-har-vaert-mental-tortur-for-meg
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 10, 2020, 7:57 am
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There will be an interview with Bobby Madley on Football Focus
tomorrow -
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51055596
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