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#Post#: 13816--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: bmb
Date: December 15, 2019, 9:39 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> I just do not think that the officials are finding the job any
easier because of the eccentric behaviour of a lot of players (
I won't use the word which springs to mind!).
>
--- End Quote ---
This is exactly what turned me off of PL football altogether -
the gamesmanship for want of a better word.
#Post#: 13820--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: December 15, 2019, 10:00 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1229.msg13809#msg13809
date=1576414782]
> Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he
could have learned it in his playing days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha --I like that!
Bruce did have previous with this referee because he was
refereeing the Carabao Cup game between Newcastle and Leicester
earlier in the season which I attended. It was the game in which
Choudray for Leicester received a caution for a very bad tackle
on Ritchie, who has not played since that game in August. Bruce
was not alone in thinking that it should have been a red and
this probably came into his thinking when he did not get the
decision for the Burnley goal.
As far as the comments made by Sean Dyche are concerned, he just
said that Carroll could easily have been dismissed for his
challenge the way the game is today --he is correct. His main
point related to why a 'rookie' referee should be given a
Burnley v Newcastle fixture because if they are good enough to
referee in the PL they could be given a match involving one of
the big clubs. I have to agree with that concept, in fact, a
game involving the big clubs would probably be less physical
than the game yesterday ----que sera sera.
[/quote]
I don't really give Dyche's comments any credence.
Every PL referee has to start somewhere and it seems more a case
of 'We don't want to be the first' but two clubs always ahve to
be.
Starting with 12th V 11th (currently) seems a reasonable place
to start. I'm not sure it would do anyone any good to throw
Robinson straight into Arsenal V Man City today for instance.
#Post#: 13821--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: December 15, 2019, 10:04 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=1229.msg13805#msg13805
date=1576402180]
> I just do not think that the officials are finding the job any
easier because of the eccentric behaviour of a lot of players (
I won't use the word which springs to mind!).
>
--- End Quote ---
This is exactly what turned me off of PL football altogether -
the gamesmanship for want of a better word.
[/quote]
One of the reasons why, after 68 years of watching Burnley, I
shall not be renewing my season ticket next season.
Our style of football is not to the taste of most fans,
including a lot of our own, however, we play to our strengths
and very rarely go diving around to try to influence officials.
Sadly, this is not the case with many clubs, therefore, the job
of the offiicials is being made increasingly more difficult with
the misguided belief that, in the PL. VAR will sort things out.
Gamesmanship is a great word, bmb, because it covers so much!
:D
#Post#: 13823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: December 15, 2019, 10:30 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=1229.msg13811#msg13811
date=1576415840]
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1229.msg13809#msg13809
date=1576414782]
> Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he
could have learned it in his playing days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha --I like that!
Bruce did have previous with this referee because he was
refereeing the Carabao Cup game between Newcastle and Leicester
earlier in the season which I attended. It was the game in which
Choudray for Leicester received a caution for a very bad tackle
on Ritchie, who has not played since that game in August. Bruce
was not alone in thinking that it should have been a red and
this probably came into his thinking when he did not get the
decision for the Burnley goal.
As far as the comments made by Sean Dyche are concerned, he just
said that Carroll could easily have been dismissed for his
challenge the way the game is today --he is correct. His main
point related to why a 'rookie' referee should be given a
Burnley v Newcastle fixture because if they are good enough to
referee in the PL they could be given a match involving one of
the big clubs. I have to agree with that concept, in fact, a
game involving the big clubs would probably be less physical
than the game yesterday ----que sera sera.
[/quote]
I don't really give Dyche's comments any credence.
Every PL referee has to start somewhere and it seems more a case
of 'We don't want to be the first' but two clubs always ahve to
be.
Starting with 12th V 11th (currently) seems a reasonable place
to start. I'm not sure it would do anyone any good to throw
Robinson straight into Arsenal V Man City today for instance.
[/quote]
Just for the record, I did not say that he should be refereeing
Arsenal v Man City. I said a match involving one of the big
clubs, which is quite different.
It is no big deal refereeing one of the big clubs for your
first match because they can always fall back on VAR if they get
something wrong and the fans of the big clubs are much more
reasonable that Burnley fans!
#Post#: 13825--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: December 15, 2019, 11:24 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1229.msg13820#msg13820
date=1576425636]
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=1229.msg13811#msg13811
date=1576415840]
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1229.msg13809#msg13809
date=1576414782]
> Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he
could have learned it in his playing days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha --I like that!
Bruce did have previous with this referee because he was
refereeing the Carabao Cup game between Newcastle and Leicester
earlier in the season which I attended. It was the game in which
Choudray for Leicester received a caution for a very bad tackle
on Ritchie, who has not played since that game in August. Bruce
was not alone in thinking that it should have been a red and
this probably came into his thinking when he did not get the
decision for the Burnley goal.
As far as the comments made by Sean Dyche are concerned, he just
said that Carroll could easily have been dismissed for his
challenge the way the game is today --he is correct. His main
point related to why a 'rookie' referee should be given a
Burnley v Newcastle fixture because if they are good enough to
referee in the PL they could be given a match involving one of
the big clubs. I have to agree with that concept, in fact, a
game involving the big clubs would probably be less physical
than the game yesterday ----que sera sera.
[/quote]
I don't really give Dyche's comments any credence.
Every PL referee has to start somewhere and it seems more a case
of 'We don't want to be the first' but two clubs always ahve to
be.
Starting with 12th V 11th (currently) seems a reasonable place
to start. I'm not sure it would do anyone any good to throw
Robinson straight into Arsenal V Man City today for instance.
[/quote]
Just for the record, I did not say that he should be refereeing
Arsenal v Man City. I said a match involving one of the big
clubs, which is quite different.
It is no big deal refereeing one of the big clubs for your
first match because they can always fall back on VAR if they get
something wrong and the fans of the big clubs are much more
reasonable that Burnley fans!
[/quote]
Ouch! For the record, living in the North West now, I have
attended most of the Burnley v Palace games over the past 10
years and I have never had any problem with the Burnley fans.
And I cannot fault the hospitality of the Burnley Cricket Club
before and after games either, and it doesn't matter who you
support and what the result was.
#Post#: 13826--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: December 15, 2019, 11:29 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1229.msg13820#msg13820
date=1576425636]
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=1229.msg13811#msg13811
date=1576415840]
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1229.msg13809#msg13809
date=1576414782]
> Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he
could have learned it in his playing days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha --I like that!
Bruce did have previous with this referee because he was
refereeing the Carabao Cup game between Newcastle and Leicester
earlier in the season which I attended. It was the game in which
Choudray for Leicester received a caution for a very bad tackle
on Ritchie, who has not played since that game in August. Bruce
was not alone in thinking that it should have been a red and
this probably came into his thinking when he did not get the
decision for the Burnley goal.
As far as the comments made by Sean Dyche are concerned, he just
said that Carroll could easily have been dismissed for his
challenge the way the game is today --he is correct. His main
point related to why a 'rookie' referee should be given a
Burnley v Newcastle fixture because if they are good enough to
referee in the PL they could be given a match involving one of
the big clubs. I have to agree with that concept, in fact, a
game involving the big clubs would probably be less physical
than the game yesterday ----que sera sera.
[/quote]
I don't really give Dyche's comments any credence.
Every PL referee has to start somewhere and it seems more a case
of 'We don't want to be the first' but two clubs always ahve to
be.
Starting with 12th V 11th (currently) seems a reasonable place
to start. I'm not sure it would do anyone any good to throw
Robinson straight into Arsenal V Man City today for instance.
[/quote]
Just for the record, I did not say that he should be refereeing
Arsenal v Man City. I said a match involving one of the big
clubs, which is quite different.
[/quote]
Some might argue that Arsenal V Man City is a match involving
only one of the big clubs currently! ;)
If, for argument's sake, Robinson had been appointed to 2nd
place Leicester V Norwich yesterday then it would have deprived
Andy Madley, a new FIFA referee, from that opportunity. I'm not
convinced htat would have been a good thing.
It does illustrate the balance the PGMO have to strike. A lot of
people on RTR want to see SG2 referees given some games at PL
level but there seems to be resistance from clubs to
Championship referees doing PL games. You have to wonder what
the benefits are compared to the pressures for the referee in
question and how much the PGMO can deduce from one or two trial
PL games compared to a case like Peter Bankes where he was just
promoted based on FL performances and received his first PL game
when already a full-time PL referee.
#Post#: 13827--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: December 15, 2019, 12:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=1229.msg13823#msg13823
date=1576427437]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1229.msg13820#msg13820
date=1576425636]
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=1229.msg13811#msg13811
date=1576415840]
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1229.msg13809#msg13809
date=1576414782]
> Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he
could have learned it in his playing days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha --I like that!
Bruce did have previous with this referee because he was
refereeing the Carabao Cup game between Newcastle and Leicester
earlier in the season which I attended. It was the game in which
Choudray for Leicester received a caution for a very bad tackle
on Ritchie, who has not played since that game in August. Bruce
was not alone in thinking that it should have been a red and
this probably came into his thinking when he did not get the
decision for the Burnley goal.
As far as the comments made by Sean Dyche are concerned, he just
said that Carroll could easily have been dismissed for his
challenge the way the game is today --he is correct. His main
point related to why a 'rookie' referee should be given a
Burnley v Newcastle fixture because if they are good enough to
referee in the PL they could be given a match involving one of
the big clubs. I have to agree with that concept, in fact, a
game involving the big clubs would probably be less physical
than the game yesterday ----que sera sera.
[/quote]
I don't really give Dyche's comments any credence.
Every PL referee has to start somewhere and it seems more a case
of 'We don't want to be the first' but two clubs always ahve to
be.
Starting with 12th V 11th (currently) seems a reasonable place
to start. I'm not sure it would do anyone any good to throw
Robinson straight into Arsenal V Man City today for instance.
[/quote]
Just for the record, I did not say that he should be refereeing
Arsenal v Man City. I said a match involving one of the big
clubs, which is quite different.
It is no big deal refereeing one of the big clubs for your
first match because they can always fall back on VAR if they get
something wrong and the fans of the big clubs are much more
reasonable that Burnley fans!
[/quote]
Ouch! For the record, living in the North West now, I have
attended most of the Burnley v Palace games over the past 10
years and I have never had any problem with the Burnley fans.
And I cannot fault the hospitality of the Burnley Cricket Club
before and after games either, and it doesn't matter who you
support and what the result was.
[/quote]
Acme --as a Burnley fan for the last 68 years, I am so pleased
to hear that you have never had a problem and I agree that the
hospitality at the Cricket Club is good for the away fans.
However, believe me, our fans can be every bit as hostile
towards officials as others can. One of the Burnley fans'
message boards has a Rate the Ref scoreboard every week marking
each of 4 various aspects out of 25 --the marks being given to
Tim Robinson since yesterday are derisory!
As an ex-official myself, albeit at a much lower level, I always
go to a match to watch three teams and the assessment I gave
earlier was my honest, unbiased view because I thought that he
and his team did quite well in difficult circumstances.
May your visits to the Turf remain enjoyable ---but not as
enjoyable as the last two seasons!!
#Post#: 13828--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: TVOS
Date: December 15, 2019, 12:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=1229.msg13811#msg13811
date=1576415840]
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=1229.msg13809#msg13809
date=1576414782]
> Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he
could have learned it in his playing days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha --I like that!
Bruce did have previous with this referee because he was
refereeing the Carabao Cup game between Newcastle and Leicester
earlier in the season which I attended. It was the game in which
Choudray for Leicester received a caution for a very bad tackle
on Ritchie, who has not played since that game in August. Bruce
was not alone in thinking that it should have been a red and
this probably came into his thinking when he did not get the
decision for the Burnley goal.
As far as the comments made by Sean Dyche are concerned, he just
said that Carroll could easily have been dismissed for his
challenge the way the game is today --he is correct. His main
point related to why a 'rookie' referee should be given a
Burnley v Newcastle fixture because if they are good enough to
referee in the PL they could be given a match involving one of
the big clubs. I have to agree with that concept, in fact, a
game involving the big clubs would probably be less physical
than the game yesterday ----que sera sera.
[/quote]
I don't really give Dyche's comments any credence.
Every PL referee has to start somewhere and it seems more a case
of 'We don't want to be the first' but two clubs always ahve to
be.
Starting with 12th V 11th (currently) seems a reasonable place
to start. I'm not sure it would do anyone any good to throw
Robinson straight into Arsenal V Man City today for instance.
[/quote]
Oh I dont know, its looked like a much easier game to
officiate.
#Post#: 13832--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: JCFC
Date: December 15, 2019, 1:35 pm
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Some years ago now, Tobias Stieler was promoted to the
Bundesliga pre-season. His first appointment? Why, the next
Friday night live TV game!
#Post#: 13835--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: December 15, 2019, 3:02 pm
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--- Quote from: JCFC link ---
>
> Some years ago now, Tobias Stieler was promoted to the
Bundesliga pre-season. His first appointment? Why, the next
Friday night live TV game!
>
--- End Quote ---
I remember Steve Tanner getting two live Premier League games in
the first two weeks after his promotion to SG - obviously it
didn't work out for him in the end and I'm not sure he even got
another two live games in the rest of the time he was a Premier
League referee!
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