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Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: kelxref
Date: December 12, 2019, 3:04 am
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Following Hendo's point about Robinson being one of the SG2
VARs, it would be a pity if not being part of that group means
that promotion to SG1 is unlikely in the near term given all the
favourable comments made on this site about Robert Jones as an
example. If that were to be the case, then it would set up
another hurdle for younger officials to be promoted quickly. Are
SG2 or NL refs given any training with VAR at present? Certainly
FOs are drawn from the non VAR group and as Langford's
refereeing at Chelsea showed, not being involved with VAR did
not prevent him from handling the game relatively successfully.
Maybe my concerns here are groundless.
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Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: referee12
Date: December 12, 2019, 6:48 am
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I’m pleased banks and madley have got games this weekend hope
this can continue best of luck to Tim being his first premier
appointment
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Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: December 12, 2019, 10:28 am
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1229.msg13726#msg13726
date=1575986803]
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=1229.msg13725#msg13725
date=1575983909]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1229.msg13723#msg13723
date=1575980502]
> In the last few years, a referee who's had a PL game has
always gone on to receive promotion relatively soon after so
it's good signs for Robinson. Personally, I'd still put the
likes of Jones ahead of him and I hope others follow soon. Jones
doesn't seem to have had a Championship game for ages? Gillett
is another one actually who seems to be assigned to PL games
most weeks.
>
> Madley and Bankes get game son the same weekend! Strange how
Madley doesn't get anything for ages and then comes back with a
team challenging for the title.
>
> Good to see Tierney continuing his recent run of appointments.
I think he's a very good referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Rob Jones had Forest v Cardiff ten days ago!
[/quote]
That was his only game since the November international break
though wasn't it? Out of six rounds of Championship fixtures,
he'll only have refereed in one of them? He seems to get an
awful lot of FO appointments n the PL - which of course might
bode well for him.
Are we expecting the appointments for the festive fixtures to be
released at some point this week?
[/quote]
Next Monday.
[/quote]
The appointments for Christmas/New Year were released on Thurs
13 December last year, hence why I thought we might get them
today/tomorrow.
#Post#: 13766--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: TVOS
Date: December 12, 2019, 4:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=1229.msg13730#msg13730
date=1575991563]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1229.msg13726#msg13726
date=1575986803]
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=1229.msg13725#msg13725
date=1575983909]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1229.msg13723#msg13723
date=1575980502]
> In the last few years, a referee who's had a PL game has
always gone on to receive promotion relatively soon after so
it's good signs for Robinson. Personally, I'd still put the
likes of Jones ahead of him and I hope others follow soon. Jones
doesn't seem to have had a Championship game for ages? Gillett
is another one actually who seems to be assigned to PL games
most weeks.
>
> Madley and Bankes get game son the same weekend! Strange how
Madley doesn't get anything for ages and then comes back with a
team challenging for the title.
>
> Good to see Tierney continuing his recent run of appointments.
I think he's a very good referee.
>
--- End Quote ---
Rob Jones had Forest v Cardiff ten days ago!
[/quote]
That was his only game since the November international break
though wasn't it? Out of six rounds of Championship fixtures,
he'll only have refereed in one of them? He seems to get an
awful lot of FO appointments n the PL - which of course might
bode well for him.
Are we expecting the appointments for the festive fixtures to be
released at some point this week?
[/quote]
Next Monday.
[/quote]
The appointments for Christmas/New Year were released on Thurs
13 December last year, hence why I thought we might get them
today/tomorrow.
[/quote]
Definitely next Monday.
#Post#: 13802--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: December 14, 2019, 5:31 pm
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Steve Bruce quite critical of Tim Robinson after the Burnley V
Newcastle game. Suggested he was not ready for Premier League.
#Post#: 13803--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Comeonref
Date: December 15, 2019, 1:08 am
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I have seen the game on MOTD. I think it’s a little bit of sour
grapes by Mr Bruce. Two big decisions really. First the corner.
Mr Robinson initially gave a goal kick. His Assistant has
obviously had a word in the ear . Changed to a corner. It’s the
correct decision. No foul there for me and his defenders should
have done better at the corner. Second incident is the yellow
card for Carroll. Spot on for me. Carroll is a big bloke and has
caught Mee with his elbow. Mee hadn’t left the ground so Carroll
was always going to contact him on his way down . I don’t think
he has gone to do him. Never a red card. I seem to recall that
the PL managers did the same the last couple of seasons. Have a
pop at any SG2 refs who have their first couple of games in the
PL. . I think he did okay and hopefully they will continue to
give him and others these games. Burnley v Newcastle was always
going to be a battle game for any ref. When all said and done
its how the Assessor and PL view it.
#Post#: 13805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: December 15, 2019, 3:29 am
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--- Quote from: Comeonref link ---
>
> I have seen the game on MOTD. I think it’s a little bit of
sour grapes by Mr Bruce. Two big decisions really. First the
corner. Mr Robinson initially gave a goal kick. His Assistant
has obviously had a word in the ear . Changed to a corner. It’s
the correct decision. No foul there for me and his defenders
should have done better at the corner. Second incident is the
yellow card for Carroll. Spot on for me. Carroll is a big bloke
and has caught Mee with his elbow. Mee hadn’t left the ground so
Carroll was always going to contact him on his way down . I
don’t think he has gone to do him. Never a red card. I seem to
recall that the PL managers did the same the last couple of
seasons. Have a pop at any SG2 refs who have their first couple
of games in the PL. . I think he did okay and hopefully they
will continue to give him and others these games. Burnley v
Newcastle was always going to be a battle game for any ref. When
all said and done its how the Assessor and PL view it.
>
--- End Quote ---
I was at the game and I honestly don't know why both managers
were complaining about the referee. He did a good job in very
difficult weather conditions.
There were possibly a couple of decisions which were
questionable, however, the players do not help when they are
going down and rolling around when they just feel the slightest
contact. Fernandez had been guilty of this on a couple of
occasions and this is what he did when Burnley were awarded the
corner, on the AR's advice, from which they scored. The AR was
correct, having seen it on MOTD, the only query I have on this
is was the whole of the ball actually over the line when
Fernandez was lying on top of it? Looking at how players place
the ball for corners and goal kicks it certainly was debatable.
Carroll was his usual robust self all afternoon and was always
one of the favourites to receive a caution, however, I think
that the yellow was correct when he hit Ben Mee, although there
will be players dismissed these days for lesser challenges.
All in all I though that Tim Robinson and his team did a decent
job in a front of a very partisan home crowd and the usual
Geordie faithful. In spite of VAR etc. I just do not think that
the officials are finding the job any easier because of the
eccentric behaviour of a lot of players ( I won't use the word
which springs to mind!).
#Post#: 13806--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: TVOS
Date: December 15, 2019, 5:16 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=Comeonref link=topic=1229.msg13803#msg13803
date=1576393727]
> I have seen the game on MOTD. I think it’s a little bit of
sour grapes by Mr Bruce. Two big decisions really. First the
corner. Mr Robinson initially gave a goal kick. His Assistant
has obviously had a word in the ear . Changed to a corner. It’s
the correct decision. No foul there for me and his defenders
should have done better at the corner. Second incident is the
yellow card for Carroll. Spot on for me. Carroll is a big bloke
and has caught Mee with his elbow. Mee hadn’t left the ground so
Carroll was always going to contact him on his way down . I
don’t think he has gone to do him. Never a red card. I seem to
recall that the PL managers did the same the last couple of
seasons. Have a pop at any SG2 refs who have their first couple
of games in the PL. . I think he did okay and hopefully they
will continue to give him and others these games. Burnley v
Newcastle was always going to be a battle game for any ref. When
all said and done its how the Assessor and PL view it.
>
--- End Quote ---
I was at the game and I honestly don't know why both managers
were complaining about the referee. He did a good job in very
difficult weather conditions.
There were possibly a couple of decisions which were
questionable, however, the players do not help when they are
going down and rolling around when they just feel the slightest
contact. Fernandez had been guilty of this on a couple of
occasions and this is what he did when Burnley were awarded the
corner, on the AR's advice, from which they scored. The AR was
correct, having seen it on MOTD, the only query I have on this
is was the whole of the ball actually over the line when
Fernandez was lying on top of it? Looking at how players place
the ball for corners and goal kicks it certainly was debatable.
Carroll was his usual robust self all afternoon and was always
one of the favourites to receive a caution, however, I think
that the yellow was correct when he hit Ben Mee, although there
will be players dismissed these days for lesser challenges.
All in all I though that Tim Robinson and his team did a decent
job in a front of a very partisan home crowd and the usual
Geordie faithful. In spite of VAR etc. I just do not think that
the officials are finding the job any easier because of the
eccentric behaviour of a lot of players ( I won't use the word
which springs to mind!).
[/quote]
And, would someone like say, Anthony Taylor, have made different
decisions?
Poor form from Bruce and Dyche, to be honest.
#Post#: 13809--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Bakis
Date: December 15, 2019, 6:59 am
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Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he could
have learned it in his playing days?
#Post#: 13811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 14th – Mon 16th DEC 2019
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: December 15, 2019, 7:17 am
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--- Quote from: Bakis link ---
>
> Classic diversionary tactic from Bruce. I wonder where he
could have learned it in his playing days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha --I like that!
Bruce did have previous with this referee because he was
refereeing the Carabao Cup game between Newcastle and Leicester
earlier in the season which I attended. It was the game in which
Choudray for Leicester received a caution for a very bad tackle
on Ritchie, who has not played since that game in August. Bruce
was not alone in thinking that it should have been a red and
this probably came into his thinking when he did not get the
decision for the Burnley goal.
As far as the comments made by Sean Dyche are concerned, he just
said that Carroll could easily have been dismissed for his
challenge the way the game is today --he is correct. His main
point related to why a 'rookie' referee should be given a
Burnley v Newcastle fixture because if they are good enough to
referee in the PL they could be given a match involving one of
the big clubs. I have to agree with that concept, in fact, a
game involving the big clubs would probably be less physical
than the game yesterday ----que sera sera.
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