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#Post#: 738--------------------------------------------------
Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Hendo Date: September 8, 2018, 5:22 pm
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Just seen the disgraceful behaviour from this obnoxious
individual in the US Women’s Final - behaviour matched by a
volatile partisan crowd. Amazing achievement by Osaka to win
under such conditions.
Justice would suggest a large fine and ban for Williams but I
bet the powers that be will somehow fudge it.
#Post#: 748--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Whistleblower Date: September 9, 2018, 7:22 am
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I agree,a disgraceful exhibition of unsporting behaviour from
Williams. She has clearly lost the plot, due I suspect to the
fact of too much of significance happening in her life all at
once and not being able to cope with it all. Hope she sorts her
head out because, in her day, she was a fantastic athlete and a
role model for aspiring athletes. Very well dome to Osaka
keeping her head when all about were losing theirs.
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Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: ajb95 Date: September 9, 2018, 5:20 pm
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Think you’re both being a little harsh. Williams got some harsh
treatment from a very incompetent umpire.
This wasn’t to do with winning or losing this was about dignity
and fairness. Some of the penalties Williams got were abject and
ones which many of her fellow pros wouldn’t have got- certainly
the men. People like kygrios et al can abuse the umpires at will
and nothing ever happens, yet Williams got docked a game, when
has that ever happened before?
She got docked a point for a broken racquet? How many requests
have Djokovic Murray sock ferrer etc gone through in their
careers nothing ever happened?
Yes a superb victory for Osaka and Williams knows she played
poorly, but more going on and all came from a very impartial and
incompetent umpire. Time women games were umpires by women
#Post#: 764--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Steelman Date: September 9, 2018, 5:41 pm
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[quote author=ajb95 link=topic=109.msg763#msg763
date=1536531627]
Think you’re both being a little harsh. Williams got some harsh
treatment from a very incompetent umpire.
This wasn’t to do with winning or losing this was about dignity
and fairness. Some of the penalties Williams got were abject and
ones which many of her fellow pros wouldn’t have got- certainly
the men. People like kygrios et al can abuse the umpires at will
and nothing ever happens, yet Williams got docked a game, when
has that ever happened before?
She got docked a point for a broken racquet? How many requests
have Djokovic Murray sock ferrer etc gone through in their
careers nothing ever happened?
Yes a superb victory for Osaka and Williams knows she played
poorly, but more going on and all came from a very impartial and
incompetent umpire. Time women games were umpires by women
[/quote]
Every deliberately broken racket caused by player slamming it
into ground is a mandatory code violation, which is rarely
overlooked by an umpire. In this case she was docked a point as
this was a second code violation in the match, the first being a
warning for coaching. The second warning results in a point
penalty and her third in the one match, her rant at the umpire,
a game penalty. Further penalties are a set and then forfeit of
match for continued code violations
#Post#: 767--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: reflector Date: September 10, 2018, 2:39 am
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[quote author=ajb95 link=topic=109.msg763#msg763
date=1536531627]
Think you’re both being a little harsh. Williams got some harsh
treatment from a very incompetent umpire.
This wasn’t to do with winning or losing this was about dignity
and fairness. Some of the penalties Williams got were abject and
ones which many of her fellow pros wouldn’t have got- certainly
the men. People like kygrios et al can abuse the umpires at will
and nothing ever happens, yet Williams got docked a game, when
has that ever happened before?
She got docked a point for a broken racquet? How many requests
have Djokovic Murray sock ferrer etc gone through in their
careers nothing ever happened?
Yes a superb victory for Osaka and Williams knows she played
poorly, but more going on and all came from a very impartial and
incompetent umpire. Time women games were umpires by women
[/quote]
That may well be true and certainly she seems to be getting
support from others in the womens game. But surely the level of
her rant goes well beyond that which can be tolerated in any
sport and, had this sort of open and abusive dissent happened in
football. I am sure there would be many on here calling for a
lengthy if not indefinite suspension.
#Post#: 768--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Whistleblower Date: September 10, 2018, 3:20 am
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The umpire may have been incompetent ( I didn't see the whole
match and even if I did I am not conversant enough with tennis
officiating to judge ) I presume they give the Finals of the
Grand Slams to those umpires who have been assessed as the best.
However, incompetence in a match official is no excuse for such
petulant ranting and if any football player had called me a
"liar" and a "thief" that would have been the end of their
participation in the match, there and then ,without any
qualification at all. Calling the integrity of match officials
into question is beyond the pale for me and I have no doubts
that umpires at junior tennis competitions now will be receiving
more abuse as young players emulate their idol.
Williams' behaviour was simply unacceptable in my book and if
that is a harsh judgement then so be it. It's a great pity such
a talented and successful athlete, who should be a marvellous
role model, has so let herself down.
If it is true that women players are given more draconian
treatment then men in terms of penalties, then that is an
intolerable situation and must be addressed by the authorities
immediately.
#Post#: 794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Readingfan Date: September 10, 2018, 11:04 am
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I don't know too much about tennis and certainly can't comment
on how consistently punishments are applied. I do gather,
however, from doing some reading on the subject that it was not
uncharacteristic for the umpire in question to interpret the
laws and provide the punishments that they did.
I tend to believe too that in any walk of life if you break
regulations you are leading yourself open to the possibility of
sanction and cannot complain if this happens. It will invariably
not be punished in every single case for a multitude of reasons
- if one of these reasons is due to unfair treatment, then it
should certainly be investigated.
From my perspective, Williams' actions certainly seemed shameful
and suitably punished. Her coach has admitted to the first
indiscretion. The second one was clear to everyone. As for the
rant, she seemed completely out of control and it certainly went
far beyond anything that I would expect an official to tolerate.
It is often remarked in football that 'cheat' is one of the
very worst things that a player can say to a referee and, as
Whistleblower suggests, 'thief' seems to fall under a similar
category and I would certainly not be sorry if Williams were to
acquire further punishment in the form of a fine or suspension.
#Post#: 808--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Whistleblower Date: September 10, 2018, 2:07 pm
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And now we are treated to the old ruse of the perpetrator of the
offence claiming victimhood. The victim here was umpire Carlos
Ramos who underwent appalling treatment which no -one should
have to tolerate and in front of thousands of people and, from I
could see, behaved perfectly gracefully under severe
provocation. I hope the tennis authorities award him a very
major Final to umpire at the earliest opportunity. The
sanctions he imposed on Williams were strictly by the book.
#Post#: 820--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 11, 2018, 2:59 am
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It seems that Carlos Ramos is a 'stickler' for the rules (not my
word). This is fine imo. However, in the same tournament, we had
an umpire getting out of his chair to encourage a male player to
play better, which he promptly did and won the match. It is all
about consistency here and The Times notes that some umpires are
unhappy with the haphazard organisation of this year's US Open.
All I can say is thank goodness that Collina & Co did their job
well in the recent World Cup in Russia. They encouraged the refs
to keep their cards in their pockets as far as possible and to
overlook minor transgressions, for example ball in the wrong
place at free kicks, in the interests of keeping the games
flowing. The result imo was a major success in terms of TV
viewing. We no longer have the 'shambles' of England v Argentina
at Wembley in 1966 and the tennis authorities would do well to
follow football's example. Oh, and the real victim of Saturday's
US Open Final (apart from tennis)? Well it has to be the Open
first time winner Naomi Osaka of Japan. Her post-match tears
were definitely not tears of joy and Serena Williams certainly
owes her an apology if nobody else.
#Post#: 826--------------------------------------------------
Re: Serena Williams - disgraceful
By: Hertsref123 Date: September 11, 2018, 5:31 am
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=109.msg820#msg820
date=1536652782]
It seems that Carlos Ramos is a 'stickler' for the rules (not my
word). This is fine imo. However, in the same tournament, we had
an umpire getting out of his chair to encourage a male player to
play better, which he promptly did and won the match. It is all
about consistency here and The Times notes that some umpires are
unhappy with the haphazard organisation of this year's US Open.
All I can say is thank goodness that Collina & Co did their job
well in the recent World Cup in Russia. They encouraged the refs
to keep their cards in their pockets as far as possible and to
overlook minor transgressions, for example ball in the wrong
place at free kicks, in the interests of keeping the games
flowing. The result imo was a major success in terms of TV
viewing. We no longer have the 'shambles' of England v Argentina
at Wembley in 1966 and the tennis authorities would do well to
follow football's example. Oh, and the real victim of Saturday's
US Open Final (apart from tennis)? Well it has to be the Open
first time winner Naomi Osaka of Japan. Her post-match tears
were definitely not tears of joy and Serena Williams certainly
owes her an apology if nobody else.
[/quote]
We should be celebrating osaka’s victory here, not talking about
the horrible serena williams.
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