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       D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
       Date: September 8, 2018, 2:20 pm
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       Although he's not had much to do, I cannot fathom how Henderson
       was carded for what looked liked only a slight touch on the
       Spanish player, yet Trippier wasn't carded for his dive in that
       took out I think Rodrigo on the far side.
       A good game nonetheless but Makkelie does seem to be
       inconsistent.
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       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: rustyref
       Date: September 8, 2018, 2:41 pm
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       Henderson's was a mandatory caution for stopping a promising
       attack, the opponent was running away from him and he cynically
       took him out.  Tripper perhaps a tad lucky to avoid a caution.
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       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
       Date: September 8, 2018, 3:02 pm
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       Let's hope Shaw is ok after his x rated collision with Carvajal.
       Looks pretty serious and coupled with the fact Sky aren't
       showing replays it doesn't look good.
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       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
       Date: September 8, 2018, 3:15 pm
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       Ridiculous card for Stones awarded after he won the ball
       clearly. Even worse was the lack of help from Blom behind the
       goal.
       Not convinced at all by Makkelie this evening. He was earmarked
       as the Kuipers replacement and although he is miles better than
       his predecessor Nijhuis, this is not a performance of the
       desired quality at this level.
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       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: rustyref
       Date: September 8, 2018, 3:49 pm
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       Some baffling second half decisions, although I'm not sure
       Makkelie was behind them.  First was the Stones foul and
       caution, but I'm sure the AAR gave that as there was a very long
       delay be the referee.
       Last minute disallowed goal, again I think the AAR has got
       involved.  If it is for a foul on De Gea that is ridiculous as
       there is no way that was a foul.  If it was for Welbeck pushing
       the defender I'd be more supportive, but I'm struggling to see
       how the AAR could have seen that and Makkelie showed no
       indication initially that he wasn't happy with the goal.
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       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: bmb
       Date: September 8, 2018, 4:19 pm
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       --- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
       >
       > Let's hope Shaw is ok after his x rated collision with
       Carvajal. Looks pretty serious and coupled with the fact Sky
       aren't showing replays it doesn't look good.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Looks to be good news so far.
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       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: Toprefm
       Date: September 8, 2018, 5:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: rustyref link ---
       >
       > Some baffling second half decisions, although I'm not sure
       Makkelie was behind them.  First was the Stones foul and
       caution, but I'm sure the AAR gave that as there was a very long
       delay be the referee.
       >
       > Last minute disallowed goal, again I think the AAR has got
       involved.  If it is for a foul on De Gea that is ridiculous as
       there is no way that was a foul.  If it was for Welbeck pushing
       the defender I'd be more supportive, but I'm struggling to see
       how the AAR could have seen that and Makkelie showed no
       indication initially that he wasn't happy with the goal.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Think that's looking at excuses for the referee that is a bad
       error from a FIFA ref and was a clear goal. Mistake by the GK
       #Post#: 743--------------------------------------------------
       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: September 9, 2018, 5:26 am
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       --- Quote from: Toprefm link ---
       >
       > [quote author=rustyref link=topic=108.msg735#msg735
       date=1536439746]
       > Some baffling second half decisions, although I'm not sure
       Makkelie was behind them.  First was the Stones foul and
       caution, but I'm sure the AAR gave that as there was a very long
       delay be the referee.
       >
       > Last minute disallowed goal, again I think the AAR has got
       involved.  If it is for a foul on De Gea that is ridiculous as
       there is no way that was a foul.  If it was for Welbeck pushing
       the defender I'd be more supportive, but I'm struggling to see
       how the AAR could have seen that and Makkelie showed no
       indication initially that he wasn't happy with the goal.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Think that's looking at excuses for the referee that is a bad
       error from a FIFA ref and was a clear goal. Mistake by the GK
       [/quote]
       Sunday Times suggests that Welbeck deliberately stepped into De
       Gea's path as he went for the ball and De Gea then spilled the
       ball after colliding with Welbeck. Soft but correct decision in
       their view. Hmmm, not sure I agree, and at that level, De Gea
       should not be spilling the ball for any reason. Either way, I
       agree the ref seemed totally unsure what to do next and relied
       on the AAR for help. A poor end to the game on his part.
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       Re: D MAKKELIE - England v Spain 
   DIR By: Hertsref123
       Date: September 9, 2018, 6:11 am
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       --- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
       >
       > Ridiculous card for Stones awarded after he won the ball
       clearly. Even worse was the lack of help from Blom behind the
       goal.
       >
       > Not convinced at all by Makkelie this evening. He was
       earmarked as the Kuipers replacement and although he is miles
       better than his predecessor Nijhuis, this is not a performance
       of the desired quality at this level.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       And definetely not a performance on kuipers level.
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