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Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: nemesis
Date: January 6, 2019, 5:50 am
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> I also agree with Nemesis about opening up the VAR's role
although I guess for them to have credibility, they would need
to have refereeing experience at a decent level.
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They don't need to have regularly got things wrong in the middle
to have credibility as a VAR !
#Post#: 3835--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: January 6, 2019, 7:06 am
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> I’m surprised that this thread has not mentioned the poor
handling by Simon Hooper. Penalty awarded. The player taking had
actually started his run up when he stopped him and awarded an
offside. Very messy. Surely he should have told the players they
had to wait and it might have been better if he had kept
possession of the ball. Maybe the VAR is right and that’s
important but the refs need to utilise it properly.
>
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TBH I don't think he handled it poorly, he wasn't aware that VAR
were continuing to be involved following the initial
decision/advice and probably got a STOP STOP STOP in his
earpiece just as the player was about to run up to take the PK.
Did anyone else notice the wry smile and joke with the players
following his award of the second penalty?
#Post#: 3843--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: January 6, 2019, 10:31 am
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> It seems that the use of VAR in England will more commonly
involve the referee simply accepting the information from the
VAR rather than going to the screen as we saw at the World Cup.
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> I know this has raised debate on here previously.
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> Personally I generally prefer the process of the referee going
to the monitor, partly because it is more standardised across
the world. I also think it helps preserve the referee's
authority if they are the one making the decision and prevents
cases of a referee making a decision they wouldn't actually have
given with the benefit of replays, whilst also making it clearer
to the crowd/viewers who then know to expect the decision to be
changed rather than a yellow card suddenly becoming a red card
as happened at Palace today for instance. I can understand the
arguments for not incorporating this element however.
>
> I still think the end objective has to be to mic the officials
up so everyone can hear what is being discussed to help fill the
time waiting for the decision.
>
> I presume UEFA will follow a policy more closely related to
that which we saw in the World Cup when VAR is introduced in the
Champions League next month.
>
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Biased, yes perhaps, but I applaud the decision of Martin
Atkinson, via the VAR, to change from a yellow card to a red in
the second minute of the Palace v Grimsby game. OK, a second
rate game but the decision to change needed to be made and was
perfectly correct, as TV replays showed. If only VAR had been
available to Taylor when Kompany launched himself into a very
similar tackle in the top-of-the PL game at City the other day.
#Post#: 3845--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Boz
Date: January 6, 2019, 10:44 am
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Talking of Mr Taylor, I will be interested to see the penalty
awarded to Fulham. Reports suggest strong suspicsion of a dive
by Tom Cairney, referred to VAR but not overturned.
#Post#: 3852--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Boz
Date: January 6, 2019, 12:36 pm
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Have now seen the Fulham penalty awarded by Mr Taylor and
endorsed by Mr Probert the VAR official. The contact appeared
minor, shouldn’t have caused Cairney to go down and a poor
initial decision by Mr Taylor. Unsure how the VAR role works
here, would Mr Probert only be able to advise overturning if
there was NO contact as opposed to the minimal
contact/exaggerated response here?
#Post#: 3854--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: RCG
Date: January 6, 2019, 1:22 pm
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We are back to was it a clear and obvious error? From TV you can
only judge what contact has been seen. Would be nice to think
they could suggest exaggerated movement but i doubt it. Could we
100% say it was not a penalty?
#Post#: 3855--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: SuffolkRef
Date: January 6, 2019, 1:42 pm
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--- Quote from: QuoCob link ---
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> [quote author=Comeonref link=topic=100.msg3827#msg3827
date=1546772153]
> I’m surprised that this thread has not mentioned the poor
handling by Simon Hooper. Penalty awarded. The player taking had
actually started his run up when he stopped him and awarded an
offside. Very messy. Surely he should have told the players they
had to wait and it might have been better if he had kept
possession of the ball. Maybe the VAR is right and that’s
important but the refs need to utilise it properly.
>
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TBH I don't think he handled it poorly, he wasn't aware that VAR
were continuing to be involved following the initial
decision/advice and probably got a STOP STOP STOP in his
earpiece just as the player was about to run up to take the PK.
Did anyone else notice the wry smile and joke with the players
following his award of the second penalty?
[/quote]
While it may not be Hooper's fault, surely those hidden away in
a room near London should be informing him that they were still
reviewing the potential of an offside ?
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Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 6, 2019, 2:03 pm
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As I said, I think Hooper was delaying the penalty until the
review was over and when he blew the whistle it was to reverse
the decision but Vydra thought it was the penalty to be taken
and so started his run-up.
Sean Dyche suggested the referee should hold the ball whilst the
VAR review is ongoing. I suppose it could make it clearer
although equally it would result in slight delays if he then got
the all clear because they'd have to set up the set piece.
#Post#: 3858--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 6, 2019, 2:35 pm
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Surely the simple answer is for the referee to stand in front of
the ball and put his finger to his ear?
#Post#: 3859--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Matt
Date: January 6, 2019, 2:48 pm
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> Surely the simple answer is for the referee to stand in front
of the ball and put his finger to his ear?
>
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Do be serious!
Simplicity in the UK game?
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