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Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: nemesis
Date: January 5, 2019, 3:40 pm
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Why do VAR referees have to be actual referees? Opening up the
position to those who are way short of those fitness levels and
may not have the man-management skills of referees, such as they
are, will give a massively larger pool from which to source the
very best at making VAR decisions. It's such a different skill
that it's unlikely the best at one will also be the best at the
other.
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Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: RCG
Date: January 5, 2019, 3:54 pm
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I agree with Nemesis. A number of the best TMOs in Rugby Union
did not referee at the highest level (and today saw a former
Premiership referee get a try/no try decision wrong). I believe
the senior VAR at the world cup, although he is a referee, was
not from the Elite group. Former referees should also be
involved (I though Swarbrick and Jones were being lined up but
obviously not)
#Post#: 3810--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: January 5, 2019, 4:46 pm
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
>
> Why do VAR referees have to be actual referees? Opening up
the position to those who are way short of those fitness levels
and may not have the man-management skills of referees, such as
they are, will give a massively larger pool from which to source
the very best at making VAR decisions. It's such a different
skill that it's unlikely the best at one will also be the best
at the other.
>
--- End Quote ---
Completely agree...regarding having ex referees added to that we
have the likes of Grandad Walton, Swarbrick, Jones and the other
up and coming retirees who I'm sure still have their eyesight
and LOTG knowledge in tact despite their age!!
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Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: BabyRef
Date: January 5, 2019, 5:50 pm
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Didn't like how Simon Hooper handled the VAR at all - why did he
let a player take his runup for a penalty when a VAR review was
taking place?
#Post#: 3815--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 5, 2019, 6:12 pm
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--- Quote from: BabyRef link ---
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> Didn't like how Simon Hooper handled the VAR at all - why did
he let a player take his runup for a penalty when a VAR review
was taking place?
>
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I don't think he did - I think he was blowing to signal that an
offside was going to be given but Vydra started running up when
he heard the whistle.
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Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 5, 2019, 6:15 pm
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=100.msg3807#msg3807
date=1546724402]
>
> Why do VAR referees have to be actual referees? Opening up
the position to those who are way short of those fitness levels
and may not have the man-management skills of referees, such as
they are, will give a massively larger pool from which to source
the very best at making VAR decisions. It's such a different
skill that it's unlikely the best at one will also be the best
at the other.
>
--- End Quote ---
Completely agree...regarding having ex referees added to that we
have the likes of Grandad Walton, Swarbrick, Jones and the other
up and coming retirees who I'm sure still have their eyesight
and LOTG knowledge in tact despite their age!!
[/quote]
I've always thought that would be a good idea although seeing
the likes of Walton on BT Sport has made me less convinced
because it feels like former referees can become out-dated quite
quickly and certainly I think it's important that any VAR
official is regularly attending training camps and completely in
tune with modern interpretations.
I think Swarbrick and Jones are involved in VAR, although
seemingly more behind the scenes.
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Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: fatso
Date: January 6, 2019, 2:55 am
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I thought the idea of VAR was to check the validity of all
goals, among other things, and if so why were the penalties at
Burnley, Man Utd & Newcastle not retaken as players from both
sides had encroached in the area.
#Post#: 3823--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: reflector
Date: January 6, 2019, 3:56 am
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I agree with the points on here about the viewers and listeners
at home being allowed to hear the conversation between the ref
and VAR as it seems to work OK in rugby and cricket. I guess it
might be more difficult technically for spectators in the ground
but I can't think of another reason why they shouldn't too.
These are not state secrets being discussed after all.
I also agree with Nemesis about opening up the VAR's role
although I guess for them to have credibility, they would need
to have refereeing experience at a decent level. However, that
said, I am not convinced about Swarbrick's suitability if his
contributions in The Times are anything to go by when he
invariably supports the decision of the officials. I can only
actually recall once when he disagreed so not sure that he can
bring a sufficiently dispassionate view to the proceedings.
#Post#: 3825--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: ajb95
Date: January 6, 2019, 4:48 am
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Also, I see Morata made a VAR sign at Madley in the Chelsea
game. No sanction. How long before we have two reviews per game
and games lasting 2/3 hours?
#Post#: 3827--------------------------------------------------
Re: The VAR thread
DIR By: Comeonref
Date: January 6, 2019, 4:55 am
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I’m surprised that this thread has not mentioned the poor
handling by Simon Hooper. Penalty awarded. The player taking had
actually started his run up when he stopped him and awarded an
offside. Very messy. Surely he should have told the players they
had to wait and it might have been better if he had kept
possession of the ball. Maybe the VAR is right and that’s
important but the refs need to utilise it properly.
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