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#Post#: 1215--------------------------------------------------
Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Justin
Date: October 5, 2015, 8:51 am
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--- Quote from: Nessa link ---
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> The world exists. It may not be true, but it's very real.
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--- Quote from: Frits link ---
> everything is very real indeed, it just isn't true. Big
difference.
>
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I can't seem to find the substance that makes reality so real
guys. In fact I can find about 5 realities right now if I want.
It has no solidity at all. If I don't like the current "reality"
I simply choose another. On and on. Always creating "reality"
every second. Reality is in fact malleable.
That's where I was coming from with the creator talk...reality
isn't very real at all.
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Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Frits
Date: October 5, 2015, 9:31 am
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Those are not realities, Justin, they're made up dreamstuff,
beliefs and wants... you can replace an illusion with another
illusion, and even if you call it a reality, it still is an
illusion. Whispy dreamstuff. Truth, on the other hand, is only
one of... you can't replace it with another truth. You can't say
"I don't like this truth, let me get another one" -- because
there is no other one. Never was, never will be... just this
one.
If you can't tell the difference between what seems to be real
and what is true, you're not there yet and must go further.
But hey, I thought you were going away? What you're doing here
still, boy? Go, have fun, dream up your own illusions/bullshit
and see if they will make you happy in the future... and we'll
see you in a few months. ;D
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Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Nessa
Date: October 5, 2015, 9:51 am
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Frits, stop bating him.
Water has no shape, it takes the form of the vessel, yet it's
very real.
So is physical Reality, which is what I am talking about,
Justin. Not the mentally conjured, dreamed up world most people
unconsciously inhabit.
Physical reality of you and me and others. It is not based on
Thought. It consists of billions of forms which (yes) morph
continually. People, bacteria, rocks, landscapes... they ARE
water. They never stop changing.
The body is the ONLY true indicator, the finest instrument honed
over millions of years. The senses.. trust them. Senses DON'T
deceive, it's the Mind interpretation which does. So... next
time when the brick falls on your head.. or you jump in the ice
cold water... or you are in a state of severe physical pain...
or you die from extreme heat in a desert somewhere... or hunger
bordering on starvation..... try to tell yourself none of it is
real.
As in Pink Floyd:
For long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be
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Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Nessa
Date: October 5, 2015, 9:57 am
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In other words... go back to basics, to your origin.
Simplicity.
:)
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Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Justin
Date: October 5, 2015, 10:17 am
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Cool Pink Floyd quote Ness.
Frits can't bait me. I'm not exactly stuck in one reality as he
might suggest. Further is just terminology used by seekers and
gurus. I already have a pretty good idea of where he's at with
that. It's irrelevant here.
Physical pain in the body is physical pain. Not a reality. The
way it is seen can be a reality. It can be a catalyst for a
persons reality not in itself a real thing that is imposing a
reality upon you.
Don't know if that is making sense but at this point it really
doesn't matter. I don't really have anything to gain here. Just
enjoying the contrast as it were :)
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Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Nessa
Date: October 5, 2015, 10:23 am
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It matters to you. Or else you wouldn't be here.
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> Physical pain in the body is physical pain. Not a reality. The
way it is seen can be a reality. It can be a catalyst for a
persons reality not in itself a real thing that is imposing a
reality upon you.
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This completely doesn't make sense, I don't understand it.
You are looking for some 'alternative' reality... It doesn't
exist, Justin, take off you rose coloured glasses.
That's all Truth is about.
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Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Frits
Date: October 5, 2015, 10:43 am
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Cool... I thought we were on the same page, Nessa, but we're
not. You see how communication does not work? I'm still figuring
out who speaks my language (and I'm not talking about Dutch)...
haven't found any here yet, sorry to say.
Anyway, my page is this: this here, this life with rocks and
people, seems real and as long as we are here we treat is as
very real, I do too, but it's not true and so it does not really
exist at all. But knowing that doesn't help you one bit here.
this, on the other hand:
--- Quote ---
> Physical pain in the body is physical pain. Not a reality. The
way it is seen can be a reality. It can be a catalyst for a
persons reality not in itself a real thing that is imposing a
reality upon you.
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Does actually makes sense to me... It's logical on my page. :)
#Post#: 1228--------------------------------------------------
Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Plato
Date: October 5, 2015, 10:48 am
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There is a fraction of non-dualists that go the "nothing is
real, I can do whatever I want" route. Adya warns against it,
you hear many other teachers talk about it as a mistake... Who
knows? We seem to have that experiment going on here in the
forum right? Coolio 8)
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Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Nessa
Date: October 5, 2015, 11:06 am
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Steve, I never read Adya, but yes, he is right, from where I am.
I don't belong to the club of 'Deny ALL'. This is not what my
existence confirms to me.
Subjectivity of trusting own gut is very beneficial. Gut and
sense perception are my only guides these days.
Frits, we can never be on the same page. You still seem to be
looking for some sort of 'brotherhood', while we all are writing
our own books. Alone. Absolutely.
Besides... all will arrive. Jed himself didn't realise just HOW
profound this phrase is, from an energetic point of view. He
doesn't understand energies, coz his makeup is very cerebral. So
Frits, I could share why you state what you do, and why I state
what I do, and why we both attained what we LACKED prior, but
that would be very occult knowledge. I keep it to myself.
You used to be a hard core realist.
It just makes me smile.
#Post#: 1232--------------------------------------------------
Re: Reality. Not very real at all.
DIR By: Plato
Date: October 5, 2015, 11:36 am
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One has to release what one "thinks" they are made of before
they can fall into what is real... However unreal Maya may be,
we are still tethered to this existence, we are still asked to
respond to "unreality", it is how the dreamer responds, as if
it's all real, that seekers looking for a path are trying to
avoid. They are looking to "awaken" from the dream, awakening
does not mean the dream is over, just that one who is awakened
has the ability to direct their own dream, this is where I think
Justin is coming from, He is the Steven Spielberg of his
consciousness' dream. Cool.
I'm of a slightly differing experience, I did that version,
created everything I wanted from the dream and was still left
wanting... So, my recent experience has been of negation of self
to the extent that god orchestrates everything, no me making
choices or dictating the script. It's an awesome and crazy way
to live the dream, being swept away happily in it. It's not
possible to live this way without the extreme certainty that
comes from U/C and a drop into the void. Anything else is just
pretending at truth. Just the experience here. Your results
WILL vary.
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