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The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Plato
Date: April 29, 2026, 3:13 pm
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I like Michael Pollan's work, have read "How to open your mind"
multiple times (got me growing mushrooms in my basement a couple
years back) which is his exploration of psychedelics at the ripe
old age of 60. Now, probably because of his experience writing
the last book he tackles Consciousness. Haven't read it yet but
looking forward to it shortly.
In this youtube clip especially the last minute or two he
wanders into our discussion of the self, valuable for getting
things done but also a trap with walls that separate us from
Unity Consciousness...
HTML https://youtu.be/AiQSknjphuI?si=qtz_bDOcpH13k9-l
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Gromer
Date: April 29, 2026, 5:54 pm
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Plato, what do you call Unity Consciousness'? You've used this
expression plenty of times, but no one actually bothered to ask
what meaning you assign to it.
Find some plain way of explaining it from your perspective?
Like.. for dummies?
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Crystal
Date: April 30, 2026, 9:22 am
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Further to Gromer’s request, can you also please explain how it
works with using mushrooms/ psychedelics as all drugs induce an
altered state of consciousness that many seem to interpret as
being “real” beyond “ourselves”. So to speak. I’ve always
thought that having a love consciousness would be all one would
need but obviously not. Drugs are typically used to "escape"
from something.
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Plato
Date: April 30, 2026, 3:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Gromer link ---
>
> Plato, what do you call Unity Consciousness'? You've used this
expression plenty of times, but no one actually bothered to ask
what meaning you assign to it.
>
> Find some plain way of explaining it from your perspective?
Like.. for dummies?
>
--- End Quote ---
Can only speak from my experience, other's may vary. I've had
this experience twice, it doesn't last so others can probably
chalk it up as makyo. Makyo is a misleading distraction created
by the mind, Unity Consciousness is a depletion of ego such that
a universal connection with everyone and everything is
experienced, literally a nirvana or heaven on earth experience.
Without drugs.
Both times this happened to me I was very angry at others and
the situation I felt they had put me in (total victim thinking
coupled with rage) at some point during the crescendo of this
pain and anger, something in my perspective shifted and I was
made aware of the catastrophic role I had played up to that
point in creating the entire event, mostly in my own mind...
this was devastating news and my ego basically imploded and
dropped off the screen. What was left was Universal Love. It
felt like I was floating, I saw visions of people around the
world in my mind and felt nothing but love for all, etc. etc.
blah blah, blah.
Both times the experience faded and both times I went looking
for answers as to how to get that feeling back, I thought it was
enlightenment and I didn't understand why it went away. The
second time (at 50 y/o) is what got me to eastern philosophies
and eventually Damnedest where Jed was the first one to discount
the Unity Consciousness experience as "the greatest thing one
can experience" and "not attainable by oneself so of no use in
the Enlightenment game" but it is what all the bliss peddlers
are selling even though that's just a bait and switch game
according to Jed.
I thought these experiences made me special and I clung to them
while at Ked's, They were the last thing I dropped (dec 15th
2014) which turned the final key towards Mind finally shutting
down, Dec. 28th 2014. see below...
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Re: Done
« Reply #120 on: December 15, 2014, 08:46:11 am »
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So, I'm basically completely consumed here, every waking moment.
I've finally come to the understanding that my unity
consciousness episodes, which don't deserve to be ruined with
words, are just not a part of this game, ouch, I have to say
that this is a very painful realization and and when chased
further that pain comes from an old frienemy, the desire for
specialness.
So now, I look around and it seems everything I am is just this;
a byproduct of the need to be special. How can it all be
nothing? Really, how can everything, EVERYTHING be nothing...
What, what are these tears? nothing as well? why this emotion,
what is feeling it? is this just more ego feeling sorry for it's
stupid self? wtf this is so..... **** me.
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Re: Done
« Reply #121 on: December 15, 2014, 09:30:29 am »
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Tears keep falling, I have a hard time thinking to do but
thoughts flood. first I thought I was the fool, the jester on
stage trying to please, dancing so hard trying to, what? prove
I’m not a fraud? prove I am something, someone? Then I realized
no, I’m the chained dancing bear, no choice, Specialness holds
my chain and whips me to dance. And then, no, it’s darker, much
darker, I’m the Gimp, all sensory flesh covered in leather,
chained and curled in a fetal position in a small box in
someone’s basement, who’s basement? My basement, are you ****
kidding me? MY Basement!? WTF! I’ve been doing this to myself?
Masochistic douche how does this compute, this does not compute,
**** this **** that **** **** **** **** **** ****…. How can
every goddam thing I’ve ever done come from agaoddam need and
not from a me, how can everything created from existence here be
nothing but a byproduct of a twisted need built from infancy. my
kids my work my play my existence, every part has an oily ooze a
gal that taints and covers and infuses every part there is no me
no honesty no truth no nothing why then? why then why then why?
**** drama queen even this all this wtf jed wtf? theres no way
back from here, I have too much in the **** pot to fold but even
this thiese goddamned fingers punching this stupid **** keyboard
and spewing this stupid **** garbage into this stupid **** sewer
that leads all the way down to nothing. right where it began
what is the point? **** this.
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Re: Done
« Reply #210 on: December 28, 2014, 08:26:22 am »
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Question arising presupposes the answer is missing, freezing me
in time and space, in Maya... Click.
No bells, no whistles, just a crisp *Thunk*, like the bolt of a
rifle sliding into locked position.
I have no more questions. There is no question of a question.
I think I believed this meant I would have all answers, how
silly, an obvious desire of "know it all" mind.
The simplest thing really but a complete impossibility for
mind/ego, no wonder. And, no wonder.
How anti-climactic.
So, Unity Consciousness! Amazing, no better ride on the
planet... but, just another ride, albeit a ride that kick
started the search for Done...
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Plato
Date: April 30, 2026, 3:55 pm
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--- Quote from: Crystal link ---
>
> Further to Gromer’s request, can you also please explain how
it works with using mushrooms/ psychedelics as all drugs induce
an altered state of consciousness that many seem to interpret as
being “real” beyond “ourselves”. So to speak. I’ve always
thought that having a love consciousness would be all one would
need but obviously not. Drugs are typically used to "escape"
from something.
>
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Most Drugs are used to dull the senses to escape "reality" which
we know in here is actually "the Dream" but I digress...
Psychedelics are one of only a few drugs that can be used to
escape "the Dream" (also known as reality) but instead of
"dumbing down the mind" or "ramping up the mind" (booze and pot
vs speed and coke) like most drugs, they dumb down the ego
without doing much to the mind (other than the trip, during
which the mind is wide awake, maybe for the first time ever),
all the way to no ego structure at all, if you take a large
enough dose.
So in a way they are actually anti-drugs, since they help
deplete the part of the psyche that keeps us separated from each
other, agape Love for everything, including ourselves. They are
a short cut to Unity Consciousness and therefore are being
studied again for help with all sorts of human maladies.
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Gromer
Date: April 30, 2026, 6:02 pm
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Thank you, got it. I've had that - once in my life. I don't
call it Unity Consciousness, because consciousness, as I see it,
has little to do with this event. It is spontaneous, cannot be
called upon at will.
I called it 'nirvana'. It was absolute nirvana.
A warm summer day in England, a small country road lined with
tall poplar trees. It is sunny, there is a slight breeze through
the tree tops, the rustle of the leaves and their shadows
trembling on the road surface. I am cycling home, content and
feeling a bit dreamy. Suddenly, I am flooded with indescribable,
most intense feeling of complete, boundless, never experienced
before happiness. No, this word is just thoroughly inadequate.
It was bliss, nirvana, no time, no sounds, I am part of
everything in the universe, immense floating... nirvana. Words
do not describe it. I instantly stop the bicycle and just stand
there in the middle of this country road, feeling it.
And then, just as suddenly - it stopped. One minute of this
miracle, gone. I get home and try to describe this to my son,
there is a question in my mind 'What was it? I want more'. I was
still a year or so away from even learning that the word
'spirituality' exists. So, while I wistfully thought of this
event, I never attributed it to anything and so it was never
part of my search.
Nirvana is physiology, to me. Cannot last, no physical body can
sustain it for prolonged periods, it is a bloody good trip, but
no more, a false pointer I agree.
But damn... hundreds of times better than an orgasm.​
P.S. See? While we give it different terns, we can establish the
commonality of experience by describing it. Also, the other
event is utterly anti-climatic, yes, and I can see that your
event had a different focus.
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Gromer
Date: April 30, 2026, 6:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Plato link ---
>
>
>
> Most Drugs are used to dull the senses to escape "reality"
which we know in here is actually "the Dream" but I digress...
Psychedelics are one of only a few drugs that can be used to
escape "the Dream" (also known as reality) but instead of
"dumbing down the mind" or "ramping up the mind" (booze and pot
vs speed and coke) like most drugs, they dumb down the ego
without doing much to the mind (other than the trip, during
which the mind is wide awake, maybe for the first time ever),
all the way to no ego structure at all, if you take a large
enough dose.
>
> So in a way they are actually anti-drugs, since they help
deplete the part of the psyche that keeps us separated from each
other, agape Love for everything, including ourselves. They are
a short cut to Unity Consciousness and therefore are being
studied again for help with all sorts of human maladies.
>
--- End Quote ---
Have you tried psychedelics, Plato?
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: Plato
Date: April 30, 2026, 7:20 pm
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Yeah, back in my teens but like I said, I grew some mushrooms a
couple years ago and tried them a little then, still have a bag
stashed in the closet. Didn’t do a hero dose, just a couple
small ones and then some micro dosing… haven’t done any for
several years but was curious after reading Pollans book “how to
change your mind”.
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: j(
Date: April 30, 2026, 7:23 pm
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Dude totally reminds me of the time we ate too many and I like
watched my skin turning to ash at one point because God told me
the sun was going to collide with the earth. I then grabbed my
bible dusted it off, proceeded to set my dog free (he would not
leave and is now off leash following around a makeshift
prophet), like any good neighbor went and tossed mine his cold
wet work clothes from off the line at like 1 am and informed him
what was going on(lucky he was a good dude.) Walked into the gas
station, ordered a pack of smokes and lit one up in front of the
clerk before informing him as well that we only had moments lef
(guys looking around like wtf!?) t. My buddy gets there right in
time to pay for the smokes and usher me out before the clerk
calls the police. Gets me home and hands me some orange juice to
bring it all down... Good times!
Wonder if we could ever define enlightenement? To me it would be
the state of no mind kinda like flow state.
Any takes? Serious inquiries only.
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Re: The self, King/Overlord or Humble Servant... Your choice
DIR By: j(
Date: April 30, 2026, 7:30 pm
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I guess I have an observation to make as well on regards to the
topic at hand.
I have had some really good body highs and good times laughing
with friends on mushrooms. I have also had long conversations
with God from my hands and knees that were at that point pretty
life altering. Clearly my mistake was we split one ounce between
3 people and then the other two buddies left me with my
girlfriend who didn't take any and wasn't too impressed that I
did. She went to sleep leaving me to it. I had been in contact
with the buddy who came to actually rescue me from what could
have been a bad situation. I only laugh now because it was
apparently pretty dangerous in hindsight.
It would be fine to refer to thinking or daydreaming or
hallucinations as dreaming. Reality is not a dream. Tripping is
certainly another escape from it albeit a very intense one
potentially. Not an answer or a viable substitute for being able
to accept reality as it is to your best ability.
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