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#Post#: 7969--------------------------------------------------
FAKE NEWS
DIR By: j(
Date: April 10, 2026, 3:21 am
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Subsection for all "Enlightened Beings" to post about their
"experiences". "
#Post#: 7970--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: Gromer
Date: April 10, 2026, 8:00 am
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--- Quote from: j( link ---
>
> Subsection for all "Enlightened Beings" to post about their
"experiences". "
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: j( link ---
>
> 1. Clarity (I like to think so...get it?)
> 2. Love in the form of understanding (Love and understand a
lot of stuff. Probably don't care for understand much more)
> 3. Horror of Emptiness, nothing forever as in death (I'm
scared as sh*t to die!
> 4. Laughter at human concerns (sometimes other people's,
definitely not my own)
> 5. Emotional detachment (um no)
> 6. Freedom to be me ( yeah probably because I'm not
emotionally detached)
> 7. Meaninglessness of life (maybe absolutely, not subjectively
no)
> 8. Joy of Small Things (since I was about 7 or so)
> 8b.8 was a joke but it's all a joke so f*ck it
> 9. Complete aloneness (since ever)
> 10. Didnt get **** and are still not special (Check!)
>
> Took the test and it turns out I'm just a regular guy. Damn!
Definitely making more sense to me why I didn't get it and you
all did. Seeing as how it's kinda one of those special traits
like artistic skill. Only a select few understand or are in the
club or whatever. Im certainly not one of those. Oh well.
Carrying on.
>
--- End Quote ---
Everyone is just a regular guy.
Jay, you've already got it. You have it, just cannot see it for
now. Here is something that reminds me of this situation. When a
kid, I once went to a theatre play. There was a girl sitting
down a couple of rows below. She had the most amazing hair:
long, thick and the colour was stunning - ash blond, with that
touch of natural ice and purple, not a shade of yellow. I turned
to my friends and said "Wow, look at that colour! I'd love to
have that." My friends looked at me and said with some confusion
"But you have exactly the same colour. What's the problem?"
I couldn't see it. I knew I was quite blond, of course, but
could never see the true shade of it. Still can't, as it is on
my head, a different angle, different lighting let other people
see what I couldn't. And yeah.. it's not that shade anymore. :(
A true story.
You (right now) are just like that: you already have it, you are
touching it, you are feeling it in your gut, all your
expressions of recent indicate that, buuut.. cannot yet see it.
I've been there. It was maddening, the most miserable, torturous
weeks and months of my life. A couple of months down the line...
voila! the veil had dropped.
I still don't know how and why, one minute the wall was there,
the next minute it was gone, which instantly sent me into fits
of laughter and cry. I cried coz it was immense relief to be
free from the stupid search. I laughed coz why? is that it? is
there all to it? in other words - nothing? that simple? What was
I searching for these crazy two years? What the f*ck!! it's
hilarious!
#Post#: 7994--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: Plato
Date: April 12, 2026, 10:46 am
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--- Quote from: Gromer link ---
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> [quote author=j( link=topic=251.msg7969#msg7969
date=1775809266]
> Subsection for all "Enlightened Beings" to post about their
"experiences". "
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: j( link ---
>
> 1. Clarity (I like to think so...get it?)
> 2. Love in the form of understanding (Love and understand a
lot of stuff. Probably don't care for understand much more)
> 3. Horror of Emptiness, nothing forever as in death (I'm
scared as sh*t to die!
> 4. Laughter at human concerns (sometimes other people's,
definitely not my own)
> 5. Emotional detachment (um no)
> 6. Freedom to be me ( yeah probably because I'm not
emotionally detached)
> 7. Meaninglessness of life (maybe absolutely, not subjectively
no)
> 8. Joy of Small Things (since I was about 7 or so)
> 8b.8 was a joke but it's all a joke so f*ck it
> 9. Complete aloneness (since ever)
> 10. Didnt get **** and are still not special (Check!)
>
> Took the test and it turns out I'm just a regular guy. Damn!
Definitely making more sense to me why I didn't get it and you
all did. Seeing as how it's kinda one of those special traits
like artistic skill. Only a select few understand or are in the
club or whatever. Im certainly not one of those. Oh well.
Carrying on.
>
--- End Quote ---
Everyone is just a regular guy.
Jay, you've already got it. You have it, just cannot see it for
now. Here is something that reminds me of this situation. When a
kid, I once went to a theatre play. There was a girl sitting
down a couple of rows below. She had the most amazing hair:
long, thick and the colour was stunning - ash blond, with that
touch of natural ice and purple, not a shade of yellow. I turned
to my friends and said "Wow, look at that colour! I'd love to
have that." My friends looked at me and said with some confusion
"But you have exactly the same colour. What's the problem?"
I couldn't see it. I knew I was quite blond, of course, but
could never see the true shade of it. Still can't, as it is on
my head, a different angle, different lighting let other people
see what I couldn't. And yeah.. it's not that shade anymore. :(
A true story.
You (right now) are just like that: you already have it, you are
touching it, you are feeling it in your gut, all your
expressions of recent indicate that, buuut.. cannot yet see it.
I've been there. It was maddening, the most miserable, torturous
weeks and months of my life. A couple of months down the line...
voila! the veil had dropped.
I still don't know how and why, one minute the wall was there,
the next minute it was gone, which instantly sent me into fits
of laughter and cry. I cried coz it was immense relief to be
free from the stupid search. I laughed coz why? is that it? is
there all to it? in other words - nothing? that simple? What was
I searching for these crazy two years? What the f*ck!! it's
hilarious!
[/quote]
Agree G, all my angst about not "getting it" was gone in an
instant when the understanding of no "I" dropped, it really was
just like those scrambled no image pictures that you have to
cross your eyes just right for everything to finally come into
focus.
Another analogy is the eastern Indian folding screen, all these
delicately carved people and animals doing all sorts of crazy
things, fighting, making love, killing each other, very
captivating! Until at some point you refocus your eyes and see
between the madness, the area that you've never focused on
before, the negative space! There it is, the truth of existence
behind the screen, outside the theater, out of the cave...
Actual real life happening on the other side of the screen,
beyond all your beliefs and assumptions, beyond what you've
grown accustomed to, what you have always mistaken for "Real
Life". For a time in the beginning of this shift in perception
it was quite confusing, flipping back and forth between the
interplay on the stationary screen, which is really just someone
else's idea of what life is (one's programmed state) and the
actual truth behind the screen (the awakened state). The mind is
very used to it's well worn ruts, I think that's why the 10
years of de-programming or cleaning up that the zen buddhist's
(and Jed) speak of.
#Post#: 7997--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: Crystal
Date: April 12, 2026, 2:35 pm
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This is confusing. Isn’t the reality, all of us with our
programming, lust and killing? Plato, what you are saying, this
is the unreality. The reality is behind all of that. The field
of nothingness is the reality. Which is the bait and switch of
the mind. Have I misunderstood, yet again? All of you who have
seen, would have to agree wouldn’t you? You have either seen
it, or you haven’t. Although I have had moments of that
nothingness field, it does not last long. I always go back to
what’s in front of me or coming out of left field, the horror
and the beauty. The two fields that never stay as one. Can you
all make it clear, please and thank you.
#Post#: 7998--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: Plato
Date: April 12, 2026, 3:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Crystal link ---
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> This is confusing. Isn’t the reality, all of us with our
programming, lust and killing? Plato, what you are saying, this
is the unreality. The reality is behind all of that. The field
of nothingness is the reality. Which is the bait and switch of
the mind. Have I misunderstood, yet again? All of you who have
seen, would have to agree wouldn’t you? You have either seen
it, or you haven’t. Although I have had moments of that
nothingness field, it does not last long. I always go back to
what’s in front of me or coming out of left field, the horror
and the beauty. The two fields that never stay as one. Can you
all make it clear, please and thank you.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes Crystal, the part you like and don't like is the Dual, the
duality is the carnival ride, the up and down and it is all just
like a movie, unreal. Likes/dislikes, happy/sad, angry/kind...
It's all the same thing and it's Maya, not real, the illusion.
For Truth to arrive one must relinquish ego, many religions talk
about the need for "humility" ego death is simply "ultimate
humility" if Truth lands on just a depleted ego (not complete
humility), the ego will rebound through the back door and we now
have the dreaded Spiritual ego, the worst kind IMO. If the ego
is depleted all the way to "No-thingness" (dying before you die,
ego death, falling off the cliff into the void) then an "abiding
non-dual awareness" (Jed) will ensue, this is what Jed meant by
"Done". There is no longer a seeker because all questions have
fallen away, there is no longer any such thing as a question
beyond "Whats for lunch?", Living in "what is"
The issue at hand (always it seems) is that people can kind of
get to where they think they know what "it" is, they think they
understand "The Understanding" they can talk a good game around
"enlightenment" (Frits comes to mind) but the difference between
semi-comprehending the human concept of No-thingness (ie. all
the words that anyone has ever written on the subject, these
included) and the reality of experiencing one's "Self" as
No-thing or falling into the void is simply infinite.
Those that know the difference simply "Know". Those that don't
know have lots to say about the few that do, historically they
put them to death, later they put them in jail, after that a
mental home would do just fine, any way you slice it the ego's
that found themselves in the company of depleted ego's had to
find a way to marginalize them. Why? because those ego's that
are most offended by those that "know" are the same ego's that
are susceptible to having their minds blown open as well and
those ego's fight like hell to remain in charge. Saul on his
trip to Damascus was the most feared anti-christian in the game,
until his mind was blown and he became Paul an apostle of all
that he once hated.
No one can tell you how to find your way to ego depletion, there
are many tricks to try and box the mind into a corner, Zen
koan's, Maharshi's mind debilitating questions, here it was
simply the desire to not live a lie any longer (although I
couldn't have said it like that back then) and constantly being
told by Ken that every utterance from this mouth (keyboard) had
too much "me" in it. Which I didn't/couldn't understand either
until the evidence of my house of cards blowing away into
nothingness dropped in. The Horror.
And then No-thing... Equanimity, life was now drifting down a
stream instead of trying to swim back up it. Money, always an
issue in a former existence, not even on the map as an issue,
relationships? trauma/drama from the word go previously, now
simply what happens and quite often very enjoyable.
#Post#: 8002--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: Gromer
Date: April 12, 2026, 5:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Plato link ---
>
>
>
> Agree G, all my angst about not "getting it" was gone in an
instant when the understanding of no "I" dropped, it really was
just like those scrambled no image pictures that you have to
cross your eyes just right for everything to finally come into
focus.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, I am all in on the instantaneous nature of what I have
experienced, yes. I just don't know the no "I' drop. As I said I
gained me, aka 'I'.
My thinking was that perhaps with clear vision comes the ability
to gain what one is lacking, and the ability to lose what one
has too much of. My ego (aka my sense of self) had always been
pretty shaky up to that point.
Horses for courses I guess.
#Post#: 8005--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: j(
Date: April 12, 2026, 6:51 pm
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Definitely don't relate to the "dropping of the I." I'd say it's
been helpful to challenge beliefs to be able to attain some
perspective. Also to contemplate the existence of a higher power
or to see reality exactly as it is. But the notion of no self as
an undertaking seems laughable. Almost reminds me of the
mechanics of the Chinese finger trap like the more you pull away
the more constricting it gets. Kinda just leaning into it as it
is with out a bunch of resistance makes it a non issue.
#Post#: 8007--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: j(
Date: April 12, 2026, 7:43 pm
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Is it coincidence that dropping the I sounds like someone
sh*tting themselves.
Not a question.
#Post#: 8008--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: j(
Date: April 12, 2026, 7:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Crystal link ---
>
> This is confusing. Isn’t the reality, all of us with our
programming, lust and killing? Plato, what you are saying, this
is the unreality. The reality is behind all of that. The field
of nothingness is the reality. Which is the bait and switch of
the mind. Have I misunderstood, yet again? All of you who have
seen, would have to agree wouldn’t you? You have either seen
it, or you haven’t. Although I have had moments of that
nothingness field, it does not last long. I always go back to
what’s in front of me or coming out of left field, the horror
and the beauty. The two fields that never stay as one. Can you
all make it clear, please and thank you.
>
--- End Quote ---
Kinda reminds me of back when I used to get my hands on some
good ganja. It would really blunt my experience and take the
edge off the I...In fact I'd often just sit back and smile.
Listen to some good music and take in some sun. Maybe even nod
off to a nap altogether. Great times! Nice and easy. Not a
permanent state although nice to partake in. Wouldn't want that
all the time. Would be hard to function or be very productive at
all with no preferences full time but I guess I wouldn't care if
I didn't care.
Enlightenement = Apathy? Doubtful.
"Ignorance is bliss"
Platos Kave
#Post#: 8009--------------------------------------------------
Re: FAKE NEWS
DIR By: Gromer
Date: April 13, 2026, 6:11 am
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--- Quote from: Plato link ---
>
> [quote author=Crystal link=topic=251.msg7997#msg7997
date=1776022518]
> This is confusing. Isn’t the reality, all of us with our
programming, lust and killing? Plato, what you are saying, this
is the unreality. The reality is behind all of that. The field
of nothingness is the reality. Which is the bait and switch of
the mind. Have I misunderstood, yet again? All of you who have
seen, would have to agree wouldn’t you? You have either seen
it, or you haven’t. Although I have had moments of that
nothingness field, it does not last long. I always go back to
what’s in front of me or coming out of left field, the horror
and the beauty. The two fields that never stay as one. Can you
all make it clear, please and thank you.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes Crystal, the part you like and don't like is the Dual, the
duality is the carnival ride, the up and down and it is all just
like a movie, unreal. Likes/dislikes, happy/sad, angry/kind...
It's all the same thing and it's Maya, not real, the illusion.
For Truth to arrive one must relinquish ego, many religions talk
about the need for "humility" ego death is simply "ultimate
humility" if Truth lands on just a depleted ego (not complete
humility), the ego will rebound through the back door and we now
have the dreaded Spiritual ego, the worst kind IMO. If the ego
is depleted all the way to "No-thingness" (dying before you die,
ego death, falling off the cliff into the void) then an "abiding
non-dual awareness" (Jed) will ensue, this is what Jed meant by
"Done". There is no longer a seeker because all questions have
fallen away, there is no longer any such thing as a question
beyond "Whats for lunch?", Living in "what is"
The issue at hand (always it seems) is that people can kind of
get to where they think they know what "it" is, they think they
understand "The Understanding" they can talk a good game around
"enlightenment" (Frits comes to mind) but the difference between
semi-comprehending the human concept of No-thingness (ie. all
the words that anyone has ever written on the subject, these
included) and the reality of experiencing one's "Self" as
No-thing or falling into the void is simply infinite.
Those that know the difference simply "Know". Those that don't
know have lots to say about the few that do, historically they
put them to death, later they put them in jail, after that a
mental home would do just fine, any way you slice it the ego's
that found themselves in the company of depleted ego's had to
find a way to marginalize them. Why? because those ego's that
are most offended by those that "know" are the same ego's that
are susceptible to having their minds blown open as well and
those ego's fight like hell to remain in charge. Saul on his
trip to Damascus was the most feared anti-christian in the game,
until his mind was blown and he became Paul an apostle of all
that he once hated.
No one can tell you how to find your way to ego depletion, there
are many tricks to try and box the mind into a corner, Zen
koan's, Maharshi's mind debilitating questions, here it was
simply the desire to not live a lie any longer (although I
couldn't have said it like that back then) and constantly being
told by Ken that every utterance from this mouth (keyboard) had
too much "me" in it. Which I didn't/couldn't understand either
until the evidence of my house of cards blowing away into
nothingness dropped in. The Horror.
And then No-thing... Equanimity, life was now drifting down a
stream instead of trying to swim back up it. Money, always an
issue in a former existence, not even on the map as an issue,
relationships? trauma/drama from the word go previously, now
simply what happens and quite often very enjoyable.
[/quote]
Crystal, this 'deplete my ego' call is only applied to the male
of the species. ;D Biiiiig egos, so much testosterone, so much
pride, competitive streak for the top spot and the ladies. :)
I feel for their plight, must be a nightmare to live through so
many demands one's body and mind places on oneself.
There are also some butch ladies, as a rule exception :D ;D :o
I'd say... don't listen to any of this. Listen to what you are
telling you. Listen to yourself.
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