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       #Post#: 7756--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: j(
       Date: March 13, 2026, 9:44 pm
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       Bro, perhaps the most impressive part about this thread is that
       the LEAST "accepting of what is" are those whom deny their true
       selves. That which just comes forth naturally without the
       preoccupation with being some phony enlightened being... Alanis
       thinks it's ironic
       #Post#: 7757--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: Crystal
       Date: March 14, 2026, 9:39 am
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       I initially came to write on the Kave because a lot of the
       things written in the Jed books and similar, I simply could not
       understand and was looking for some kind of clarification to
       apply in real life situations, which somehow never worked and
       still don't.  Upon further reflection, I believe Plato's intent
       for this site was for like minded people to share from behind
       the "iron curtain of the mind" or more recently to  "waking up
       with a changed perspective". I simply am not there so anything I
       write would be a waste of all of our time.  Thank you.
       #Post#: 7758--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: Plato
       Date: March 14, 2026, 4:05 pm
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       Finally catching up in here, Hmm, looks a lot like the Palisades
       region of LA, burned to the ground!
       When I went searching in 2012 "I" was a wreck, when I stumbled
       on the trilogy in 2014 I finally had something, that something
       was the idea that "everything" was really "Nothing" (although I
       didn't understand it nor could I believe it). Through a lot of
       hard work and battle (against "myself" once I found out who the
       enemy was) and with the help of a few generous sign posts
       coupled with a bit of grace, I saw THROUGH myself and found
       there was was "Nothing" here. Nothing. Oh there's rocks and
       trees and stuff, food and things that want to eat you, there's a
       place to urinate and get a drink and whatever, beyond that it's
       all made up, mind stuff.
       I have not met another person who has this perspective, I tried
       to tell people, explain it, here in the Kave mostly but also in
       this non-cyber existence... but all in vain. It's true what Jed
       said, every human is a fanatical member of the "Cult of Self"
       and not a damn thing that I can do will extract anyone from that
       cult... Oh well. Not my job it turns out, I did my work, now
       just an ordinary guy going about his business.
       Over 10 years here, and nothing. Either I'm a freak or everyone
       else is, I'm guessing you know the answer because for 50 years I
       was just like everyone else. Doesn't really matter one way or
       the other, I'm content and that's what I went searching for in
       the first place. Doesn't make "me" special or enlightened or
       anything... just Nothing, which for the first time in this life,
       finally feels perfect.
       Cling to your opinions and think they are right all you want,
       why not, everyone else on the planet does. My guess is that that
       is the problem Crystal keeps trying to fix, not realizing that
       the actual fix is the dropping of all opinions of what's right
       or wrong as they arise.
       ;D
       PS. loving Mic's working through of all this, feels right on the
       button over here.  8)
       #Post#: 7760--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: biisuto
       Date: March 15, 2026, 1:59 am
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       --- Quote from: Crystal link ---
       >
       > I initially came to write on the Kave because a lot of the
       things written in the Jed books and similar, I simply could not
       understand and was looking for some kind of clarification to
       apply in real life situations, which somehow never worked and
       still don't.  Upon further reflection, I believe Plato's intent
       for this site was for like minded people to share from behind
       the "iron curtain of the mind" or more recently to  "waking up
       with a changed perspective". I simply am not there so anything I
       write would be a waste of all of our time.  Thank you.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Crystal, I truly understand the desire for real world
       application of non-dual principles and teachings. It became my
       raison d'etre and changed the course of my life because I
       couldn't shake the conviction of its potential for helpfulness
       (the ultimate measure, I believe) to the context and quality of
       the human experience.
       What is critical is not to conflate causes with symptoms. In
       psychosocial work, almost all clients arrive wanting to do
       something about their symptoms - the unpleasant experiences
       predicating their search for help. They want help with their
       symptoms, while expending vast amounts of energy protecting the
       very causes of their afflictions. ("But mah true self!" aka
       'ego')
       ...Isn't this exactly why Pharma has been so successful as a
       commercial model...?
       "Don't change anything! You do you! Just take a pill!"
       But there are no free lunches, physics is as real as the Earth
       we walk upon - BUT the stories we share about the experience of
       that are, for the most part, utter bullsh!t.
       And you simply can't affect - with any degree of conscious
       awareness - the underlying root of a situation at the level of
       stories about the way they manifest. That's what the Red Queen
       tried to do, by painting the roses red. Going back and
       re-planting red roses involves a lot of work (rework and
       patience, for the Queen, who needed them red and needed them
       NOW) - but if you insist on 'solutions' right now - well, how
       often do we all get out our buckets and brushes and start
       slopping paint...?
       ...Isn't the world you see a very clear portrait of this same
       process, writ large...?
       Sounds ridiculous at this level of abstraction - but that is
       exactly how it looks from the awakened perspective.
       In the context of the Kave, the first question is: have you
       experienced the initial insight of 'no self'...? Have you passed
       through the Gateless Gate, wondering how it ever even became 'a
       thing'...?
       If that's as far as you've gotten, then you are on the brink of
       what Jed called "the first step".
       It's only the first step because the hard part is what comes
       afterwards, when you smell something cooking, start to feel the
       heat - and realise it's you that is on fire.
       And you need that fire, because it is from its ashes that all
       possibility springs - including that of actually changing the
       world.
       #Post#: 7761--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: Crystal
       Date: March 16, 2026, 9:22 am
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       J) I was waiting for Plato and Mic to address some of the things
       you said but so far they haven't. If you are still around I
       would like to acknowledge and respond to some of the things you
       said.
       Plato and Mic I will address some of what you said, but not till
       later in the week when I have more time.
       #Post#: 7762--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: j(
       Date: March 16, 2026, 1:13 pm
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       I'd be happy to talk about, clarify or rethink anything I've
       said here Crystal.
       #Post#: 7763--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: biisuto
       Date: March 16, 2026, 9:20 pm
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       --- Quote from: Crystal link ---
       >
       > J) I was waiting for Plato and Mic to address some of the
       things you said but so far they haven't.
       --- End Quote ---
       ...really...? I was thinking J('s doing just fine...he's been
       working up a good head of steam on his own.
       Everyone goes into the dark alone. I'm waiting to see what/if
       comes out the other side.
       But if you have commentary you feel moved to contribute,
       Crystal, please don't hold back. There's no protocol of
       restraint here.
       #Post#: 7764--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: Crystal
       Date: March 17, 2026, 10:36 am
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       J)  I could spin my own interpretation of where you were coming
       from but just wanted to hear it from you re: statements 1, 2, 3.
       1.
       2.
       3.
       4.
       within the first few moments of the vid * Humans  poisoning
       their environment, well who knows how that’s going to affect
       their natural nature
       5.
       real. That's a start. And I'm trying. I just pray to understand
       God's Will / what is a lot. I do not pretend to understand. I do
       think it's important to have good honest relationships with
       people in your life and that it's important to have people
       around who care about and will listen and talk to you open and
       honestly and vice versa.
       #Post#: 7765--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: j(
       Date: March 17, 2026, 10:54 am
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       --- Quote from: Crystal link ---
       >
       > J)  I could spin my own interpretation of where you were
       coming from but just wanted to hear it from you re: statements
       1, 2, 3.
       >
       > 1.
       > 2.
       > 3.
       > 4.
       within the first few moments of the vid * Humans  poisoning
       their environment, well who knows how that’s going to affect
       their natural nature
       > 5.
       real. That's a start. And I'm trying. I just pray to understand
       God's Will / what is a lot. I do not pretend to understand. I do
       think it's important to have good honest relationships with
       people in your life and that it's important to have people
       around who care about and will listen and talk to you open and
       honestly and vice versa.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Nice! Yes, first things first,. I am at work and would like to
       take a second to respond before I start coming up with something
       that sounds good!
       I have a ton of anxiety that I deal with in different ways. Ive
       explain before how I mainly focus on the breath to bring me into
       the present and do a lot of exercises in that regard. This
       evening I was dabbling with a beer or two. Either way I way
       somewhat emotional and basically got pissed upon realizing that
       Steve was just in here trying to criticize me rather than
       respond to what I said. So that was 1.
       2. And 3 are my thoughts on reality as it is and human part in
       creating reality but no one ever really talks about that here.
       That's fine I'm pretty clear on it. Just think if you don't look
       honestly at reality then your living in delusion. How do you
       feel about the topic? I asked Mic if he viewed human
       interpretation of reality as a problem. What do you think? I
       think reality is what it is but we aren't stuck there and have a
       ton of agency in which to change our current reality within
       certain parameters.
       I think a lack of clarity is a problem with human
       interpretation. And so I do thank you for asking Crystal. I was
       just talking to my girlfriend at work and it's amazing how much
       it actually helps to just share with other people.
       "j( just fine going down in the dark" whatever that means...
       #Post#: 7766--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Accepting what is
   DIR By: j(
       Date: March 17, 2026, 1:16 pm
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       Also find "accepting what is" kinda boring... It is already
       done. I see people jumping up and down about what is as a waste
       of energy. I tend to focus on creating what will be instead or
       at least try. It does take some effort to focus in that regard.
       Its like the opposite of victimhood, ownership. And I try to
       keep an open relationship with source/God/ what is to stay in
       touch with some humility and maybe on occasion just ask for
       help...
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