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#Post#: 7719--------------------------------------------------
Accepting what is
DIR By: Crystal
Date: February 27, 2026, 10:18 am
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Yesterday I came across a podcast that were talking about
“accepting what is”. They share my same sentiments. It is a door
closer. Humanity can never progress unless people stop accepting
what is. Finally I found another source that agrees with me.
Phew what a relief. Ha ha.
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: biisuto
Date: February 27, 2026, 8:41 pm
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Hi Crystal, please break it down for me. What makes it a ‘door
closer’ for you? I can’t help thinking we have only a
communication problem here on this point and not a philosophical
or ethical disagreement.
…Or (fresh thought, that just occurred to me) has the Marxist
penchant for misappropriating well known terms seeped into the
discourse and salted the metaphysical earth…? And is it now
insisting on a newly ‘fixed’ meaning for what ‘acceptance’ must
irrevocably mean…?
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: Crystal
Date: February 28, 2026, 11:14 am
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The closest I can come to any words around this, is we keep
“doing the same things we have always done” by accepting what
is, nothing can change and the full potential can never be
realized or even explored. Hence why wars constantly repeat.
People seem to accept that is the way humanity “is”. Is that
true? By accepting that certain people in so called "public
health" consider themselves the authority on what constitutes
health, is that true? Yet billions lined up for the latest jab.
I question that “accepting what is” isn’t just another installed
program. A door closer because it doesn’t allow for anything
other.
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: Plato
Date: March 5, 2026, 8:08 pm
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Seems to me that every other animal on the planet is accepting
of what is and they seem to get along fine, humans on the other
hand have to "fix" everything and in the "fixing" tend to
destroy everything.
Societies will never embrace acceptance of what is, only
individuals can do that. The human horse is so far out of the
barn so to speak... we are not going back to hunter-gatherer
societies anytime soon (whose societies were closer to the
acceptance of the "what is" principal than we will ever be IMHO)
Walt Whitman gets at it with this:
By Walt Whitman
from Song of Myself
I think I could turn and live with animals,
they are so placid and self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of
owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands
of years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Not one b!tches and moans for years and years about some
government asking them to get vaccinated. (:D my addition)
So they show their relations to me and I accept them,
They bring me tokens of myself, they evince them plainly in
their possession.
I wonder where they get those tokens,
Did I pass that way huge times ago and negligently drop them?
What I am getting at when I advise myself to live in acceptance
of what is, is a movement back to a simpler "huge times ago" to
regain my "tokens", just for me and my well being, nothing to do
with society; that train is on a crash course to nowhere and I'm
not interested in that, other than being an observer of life as
it flows around this
So to me it's personal, accepting what is, and it works so well
that I have no need of anything else. For you and your
collective idea for humanity, I see why you find it unworkable,
but I also see that you don't bring forth a solution either?
could it be that there isn't a solution to the human problem
other than singularly waking up to what works for the animals?
Hmmm.
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: biisuto
Date: March 7, 2026, 12:18 am
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--- Quote from: Crystal link ---
>
> The closest I can come to any words around this, is we keep
“doing the same things we have always done” by accepting what
is, nothing can change and the full potential can never be
realized or even explored. Hence why wars constantly repeat.
People seem to accept that is the way humanity “is”. Is that
true? By accepting that certain people in so called "public
health" consider themselves the authority on what constitutes
health, is that true? Yet billions lined up for the latest jab.
I question that “accepting what is” isn’t just another installed
program. A door closer because it doesn’t allow for anything
other.
>
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The world is. The only 'problems' in the entire known universe
exist inside the human mind. None are manifested in the external
world. The external world also exists inside the human mind -
albeit as cartoonishly simplistic models - and it is upon those
inward projections, these inner maps, that we overlay the issues
- including the 'shoulds' and 'shouldn'ts' of morality and
ethics that so many have a hard time grappling with.
This difficulty arises because what I am (we are) in truth
contains all of the above. Those who see problems believe they
are human, interacting with their human models and calling that
'reality'.
And all who cannot pry their eyes from the models are what we
call "sleepers".
And their resistance to opening their eyes to what lies beyond
their models - opening their eyes to what is - generates
conflict between cognitively bounded belief systems, because no
system offers a complete picture and those gaps and dark places
induce fear (fear is also the seed of the belief systems, the
compulsive need to explain and reduce in order to understand).
And conflict between sleeping believers is ironically what leads
to consensual reality, as these systems hammer at and bend and
twist each other into forms that eventually become more
universally compatible but ultimately only mental models...
think how Christianity appropriated pagan symbols to bring
others into the fold.
This ebb and flow of conflict happens because what all belief
systems have in common is:
internal logic.
They can all be understood only from within - even if they are
logically flawed, mystical and emotional elements that prop up
and cement together the fuzzy bits of what are basically
unsustainable mental models.
Unsustainable because no hypothesis or belief system can
adequately capture what is going on in reality.
I read recently that the efforts to build an accurate neuronal
map of a mouse's brain would take more capacity than the already
staggering entirety of the world's existing digital storage.
What does that suggest about our ultimate ability to adequately
capture reality and reduce it to some
mental/conceptual/digitally reproducible model...?
Logic is an entirely mental construct, not an attribute of the
universe.
Reality doesn't make intellectually discernible 'sense'. This is
why it defies all necessarily reductionist modelling.
Reality is the ocean in a drop of water, whereas the model is a
drop of water in a vast, endless ocean.
Just when you think you have it down, you will inevitably bang
your nose, skin your knee and lose an eye to what lies behind
whatever model you've dreamed up to explain reality.
Carbon is not a problem.
Hate is not a problem.
Conflict is not a problem.
Government is not a problem.
Pronouns are not a problem.
Donald Trump is not a problem.
Fascist oppression and unelected supranational bodies is not a
problem.
Christianity, Islam and Judaism is not a problem.
Immigration and the cost of housing on Gen-whatever is not a
problem.
Reality has no problems.
So if you cannot appreciate that - first and foremost - your
view of the world is a tiny, 1D, moralistic pinhole view of
something infinitely vast and incomprehensible, then it is no
wonder you find it challenging to 'accept' things as they are.
And non-acceptance of what-is, is the basis for ensuring that
nothing will ever change in that, because it is axiomatic that
what you resist persists.
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: j(
Date: March 10, 2026, 12:43 am
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: Plato
Date: March 10, 2026, 12:46 am
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Solid.
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: j(
Date: March 10, 2026, 12:50 am
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At least I feel something you non talking non interactive
critical piece of shit
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: Plato
Date: March 10, 2026, 12:53 am
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> At least I feel something you non talking non interactive
critical piece of ****
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Uh, ok, off to sleep, nice chat.
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Re: Accepting what is
DIR By: j(
Date: March 10, 2026, 12:55 am
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Yeah let me know whatever you wanna talk about sleepy
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