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#Post#: 7629--------------------------------------------------
Heretical Therapy
DIR By: biisuto
Date: December 28, 2025, 1:32 am
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Truth doesn’t care about your suffering. That’s not a flaw in
Truth—it’s a misunderstanding about what suffering is for.
This isn’t philosophy. It’s what’s left once philosophy stops
helping.
The organism still has a nervous system after the illusion of
self collapses. Conditioning doesn’t evaporate because insight
arrived. Survival patterns continue to run, because they were
never personal to begin with.
Most spiritual discourse quietly assumes that seeing through the
self should clean up the mess it made. It doesn’t. At best, it
removes the moral narrator. The machinery keeps turning.
What people call “inner conflict” isn’t a fractured self. It’s a
set of competing regulatory strategies, each optimised for a
different threat profile, installed at different times, and
never updated because nothing forced an update.
As long as the system remains tolerable, it won’t change.
Jed’s demons aren’t enemies. They’re engagement engines. Their
job isn’t to destroy the organism, but to keep it busy—circling
familiar terrain, mistaking motion for progress. They persist
because they work.
The problem isn’t ignorance. It’s inertia.
Some strategies that once ensured survival later become
liabilities. When they repeat, we invent stories about
character, willpower, or spiritual failure. That moral overlay
obscures what’s actually happening: the system is conserving
energy by defaulting to known configurations.
This is where my heresy begins.
I’m no longer interested in liberation, awakening, or fixing the
dream. I’m interested in whether the dream-character can operate
with less internal friction - especially if the metaphysical
scaffolding has already begun to collapse.
I work with a model (IFS, among other things) not as a theory of
selfhood, but as a way to surface and renegotiate conditioned
responses. Not to make them virtuous. Not to integrate them into
a higher narrative. Simply to reduce unnecessary drag.
This has nothing to do with Truth. It doesn’t lead anywhere. It
doesn’t resolve the contradiction. It’s maintenance, not
transcendence.
Taleb uses the word antifragile to describe systems that improve
through stress rather than break under it. That’s the closest
analogue I’ve found—not as an ideal, but as a functional
description.
Reality remains indifferent. Anything can still happen. No
configuration makes you safe.
And nothing about this makes you better. It just makes the
machinery quieter.
#Post#: 7631--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: Plato
Date: December 29, 2025, 1:44 pm
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--- Quote from: mic link ---
>
>
>
>
> Truth doesn’t care about your suffering. That’s not a flaw in
Truth—it’s a misunderstanding about what suffering is for.
>
> This isn’t philosophy. It’s what’s left once philosophy stops
helping.
>
> The organism still has a nervous system after the illusion of
self collapses. Conditioning doesn’t evaporate because insight
arrived. Survival patterns continue to run, because they were
never personal to begin with.
>
> Most spiritual discourse quietly assumes that seeing through
the self should clean up the mess it made. It doesn’t. At best,
it removes the moral narrator. The machinery keeps turning.
>
> What people call “inner conflict” isn’t a fractured self. It’s
a set of competing regulatory strategies, each optimised for a
different threat profile, installed at different times, and
never updated because nothing forced an update.
>
> As long as the system remains tolerable, it won’t change.
>
> Jed’s demons aren’t enemies. They’re engagement engines. Their
job isn’t to destroy the organism, but to keep it busy—circling
familiar terrain, mistaking motion for progress. They persist
because they work.
>
> The problem isn’t ignorance. It’s inertia.
>
> Some strategies that once ensured survival later become
liabilities. When they repeat, we invent stories about
character, willpower, or spiritual failure. That moral overlay
obscures what’s actually happening: the system is conserving
energy by defaulting to known configurations.
>
> This is where my heresy begins.
>
> I’m no longer interested in liberation, awakening, or fixing
the dream. I’m interested in whether the dream-character can
operate with less internal friction - especially if the
metaphysical scaffolding has already begun to collapse.
>
> I work with a model (IFS, among other things) not as a theory
of selfhood, but as a way to surface and renegotiate conditioned
responses. Not to make them virtuous. Not to integrate them into
a higher narrative. Simply to reduce unnecessary drag.
>
> This has nothing to do with Truth. It doesn’t lead anywhere.
It doesn’t resolve the contradiction. It’s maintenance, not
transcendence.
>
> Taleb uses the word antifragile to describe systems that
improve through stress rather than break under it. That’s the
closest analogue I’ve found—not as an ideal, but as a functional
description.
>
> Reality remains indifferent. Anything can still happen. No
configuration makes you safe.
>
> And nothing about this makes you better. It just makes the
machinery quieter.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
There is a lot of good stuff here, it reminds me of all the
stuff I used, upgraded, used, upgraded...for 20+ years through
therapy, the Human Potential Movement, self help books,
religion... trying to release pressure from the ever growing
sense of worthlessness and nothingness that an "I" intrinsically
felt from childhood. The scaffolding here was getting difficult
to navigate as the proverbial "house of cards" became taller and
broader.
And then Jed, he wasn't the first to say it, he was just the
first to say it to "me" when I finally had ears to listen. I
don't revere Jed, any more than any other being I've met, I'm
thankful for the call to self annihilation when I finally had
enough fuel to burn it all down.
I still deal with the machinery because, after all there's a
body here that still deals with other bodies, thankfully this
body/mind left it's drama at the theater so that when others
drama (daughter's current divorce situation) arises, my old
drama's and programmed responses play no part in the
conversation. I am totally available, totally loving. Asked to
communicate with son-in-law because no one else in the family
could let go their anger to do so, I cried with him for a 1/2
hour on the phone and made sure he felt cared for and knew he
would always be part of the family (they have 3 kids together).
I speak of these things because they are so foreign to the ego
here that wants badly to run the show, to put people in their
place. The practice is as simple as smiling at that character,
understanding where he came from and never letting him touch the
wheel again.
I get what you are up to Biisuto, I've leaned on many like you
through the years just to survive and through the end of the "I"
sh!tshow and the dropping in of the Understanding or the
Perennial Wisdom, there is thriving here... even as nothing
changes.
#Post#: 7632--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: biisuto
Date: December 29, 2025, 4:50 pm
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That was beautiful, brother, your daughter’s split
notwithstanding - that’s a tough one.
Jed talks a lot about cleaning up the mess, but that’s post
apocalypse… a lot I work with here don’t do apocalypse on
purpose it comes at them through … relationship breakdowns,
bereavement and loss, trauma - never by choice.
Read this just before, that shows the cracks, helps get the
fingertips around the edges… we know nothing about time, but we
know that consciousness precedes it… science might be catching
up:
HTML https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/your-mind-can-bend-time-heres-how-5961541
#Post#: 7634--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: j(
Date: December 29, 2025, 9:41 pm
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--- Quote from: mic link ---
>
> That was one of the gentlest GFYs I’ve ever had - didn’t know
you had that in you, mate! 🥹😂
>
> My apologies, J(… I totally see how you read it the way you
did, I should’ve been more careful in how I wrote that… my
intent was not to suggest that you need any of this, at all - it
was the commonality of both the boozy regrets thing and our
larger experience that brings us here to share this kind of
stuff that made me want to share it here (new thread), to run it
past you guys and see how it lands… how it stands up.
>
> To the extent that we are not spiritually bypassing our
issues, the Jed-stuff is genuine inner work, that’s why I’m
integrating it into what I’m doing, and wanted to share that.
>
> That was all, I swear! 😅😂
>
--- End Quote ---
There was no offense taken at all. I just wanted to verbalize
some things and bring some finality to the other thread before
moving it over. It's just that at the end of the day I'm 41 and
haven't really needed anyone up to this point and can't really
see starting now was all I was getting at. This is why I dislike
text for anything but journaling. Too impersonal.
Some things stuck out if you don't mind clarifying for my dense
self what you mean by "what suffering is for" and "make the
machinery quieter" I would maybe be able to follow whatever it
is you guys are talking about. If not that's cool too. Always
nice to hear from my imaginary friends I guess
#Post#: 7635--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: j(
Date: December 29, 2025, 9:51 pm
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I have to say the amount of spiritual jargon in the first 2
posts is absolutely sickening to me at this point having been
removed from sh*t like this for a time I have to say it's
impressive as hell how much people talk without actually saying
anything at all. No I'm not angry. Just not particularly afraid
to speak my truth anymore. F*ck JED
#Post#: 7636--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: j(
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:01 pm
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Here is something that makes "the machinery quieter" ... not
thinking it needs to be quieter. I don't understand why people
struggle with ego at all honestly. It's okay to have one in my
opinion as long as it knows it's place in the end. I do my best
everyday, leave it at that. What else can a person even do but
let it fly I'll never know.
#Post#: 7637--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: j(
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:04 pm
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At least I won't die with regret. I truly hope you can all say
the same.
#Post#: 7638--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: j(
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:36 pm
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I apologize for the shotgun blast here but I kinda write when I
feel like it.
I want to say something in all honesty, not as an attack but as
something I feel to be true. I find it comical at this point to
listen to "spiritually enlightened" people. I think if you've
fooled yourself into thinking you are no self I'm quite good on
having a relationship with you because you're not going to be
honest with me, you're going to walk around acting indifferent
and speaking with
Getting in touch with your God, creator, or your void or
whatever.. nothingness. That can help you release the shame that
you may have or whatever is driving this need for things to be
different. I didn't do this. Neither did you. There isn't
anything your going to do about it. I couldn't even if I wanted
to. That's kinda the whole point here.
#Post#: 7639--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: j(
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:53 pm
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Pretense*
A spiritual ego is still just an ego. Maybe it had its teeth
filed idk. It appears that we require one to function in this
life. Gasp! The question is do YOU have a problem with it.
That's what needs to be extracted and examined. I don't really
have the time or interest in beating around the bush. I should
have requested a definition for "enlightenment" before I even
started talking to some of these idiots. They don't even know
what the f*ck they're agreeing on. Just holding hands in a quiet
space as I see it. Good luck with that.
#Post#: 7640--------------------------------------------------
Re: Heretical Therapy
DIR By: j(
Date: December 29, 2025, 11:09 pm
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Not even mad but haven't moved an inch since meeting at IGF,
none of us. If you're honest.
THAT should be enlightening enough.
Okay I'm done. Haven't figured out the teleportation thingy just
yet so I'll be dragging this ass into the gym at 430 am
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