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#Post#: 5710--------------------------------------------------
thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: donenot
Date: June 18, 2022, 7:02 am
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To whom I'm unconcerned,
New topic cause I picked some ideas from different posts and
tried to put them a flow; or I'm too lazy to jump from quote to
quote
Whois: “live the life you have, and things will fall in their
place”
That’s a dead end.
I see Plato agrees with whois while Fritz finds it ridiculous.
It’s quite a family you have here…
I don’t know how I could not live my life. It would make sense
to me if what whois is actually talking about is the attitude
toward the things happening here.
Inner life against outer life. To me all is “inner life”, I see
a tiny bit of attitude in even the most trivial aspect, like
feeling my weight on the chair I’m sitting on, or knowing that
1+1=2 – basically meaningless to the inner life, yet reassuring
somehow since 1+1 will always give 2.
What I get from “live your life” is I should change my attitude
but I shouldn’t really change it...
I see this “forget about it” as the scorpion that killed the
frog it was riding but somehow managed to get to the river bank
and didn’t drown. Now he’s warning the other scorpions “don’t
cross the river, you’ll kill the frog and drown!” when all the
scorpions are already up on their frogs, distilling poison.
“things will fall in their place” – life showed me that things
will happen the way they will happen no matter what I think or
feel about them.
Which brings me to Plato's emotional/feeling requirement. I
guess I’m sort of zombified myself because of the above, kind of
phased out, I don’t expect much from life.
I used to paint as a hobby in the past –when the work was done
it was puzzling to see how my painting appeared alien to me.
Needless to mention the praise expectations, and also the
dismissal of the others’ opinions – good or bad. Ridiculous.
That’s about how life is to me when I’m not in the “spur of the
moment.” Sort of alien, abstract.
Yeah, yeah, I know, “what about some real hurting, like cancer
or smashing your head against the wall! Not so abstract, hm?”
Is this in any way more joyful? I guess not.
Makes me wonder, am I a candidate for SA with my apathetic
attitude? When all I see is ego – there isn’t an I and my ego –
I am the ego - the final truth of self honesty would be to shut
the f-ck up, from where there is no further.
And yet, here I am talking to myself, wondering in some corner
of my mind about what would people say. This bivalence,
trivalence, etc, gives me a puking sensation in my throat. Aaand
it passed.
Joanna was saying something about the ego that wants to die, to
which I promptly replied that the ego’s essence is
resisting/maintaining so it would never want to die. I need to
reconsider a bit: yes, the ego may come to the conclusion that
he should die, but in fact it would come to any conclusion as
long as he finds something to do.
Some guys dealing with art therapy for the mentally ill [sorry,
no hard evidence again and again] said that schizophrenic people
don’t leave any empty space in their painting – a void
intolerance. Kind of like the ego, fill in the blanks, be it a
praise or a curse, just fill it.
I’ve interacted 3 times with the IGF Jed. First time I got
banned, a platitude the second time, and the last time he told
me to concentrate with all my might on the field where
perceptions manifest. Rrrrocket fuel:
The old shut the f-ck up…
#Post#: 5715--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: Joanna
Date: June 18, 2022, 3:46 pm
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--- Quote from: donenot link ---
>
>
> I see Plato agrees with whois while Fritz finds it ridiculous.
It’s quite a family you have here…
>
>
--- End Quote ---
At the same time Plato agrees with Frits on disagreeing with
Joanna. Who is whois's supposed alter ego, but they disagree
with each other. Real soap opera ;P
Good thing we're all enlightened here or it would be a mess 8)
#Post#: 5717--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: Plato
Date: June 18, 2022, 4:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Joanna link ---
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> [quote author=donenot link=topic=201.msg5710#msg5710
date=1655553746]
>
> I see Plato agrees with whois while Fritz finds it ridiculous.
It’s quite a family you have here…
>
>
--- End Quote ---
At the same time Plato agrees with Frits on disagreeing with
Joanna. Who is whois's supposed alter ego, but they disagree
with each other. Real soap opera ;P
Good thing we're all enlightened here or it would be a mess 8)
[/quote]
I'm an equal opportunity purveyor of comments, I have agreed and
disagreed with everyone in here, depends upon the current
thought process of the individual not their "personality" which
I must admit, can be challenging at times, anyone's personality
can. So, try to understand that I am responding to thoughts
"people" have, I've never kicked anyone off this site for the
simple reason that I believe anyone who is here, is here to
learn and grow from the group and also contribute, that can be
messy. There is a lot of experience here and anyone who has
spent a significant amount of time here will attest that there
can be tremendous wisdom in any voice.
That being said, it is very much like a family, many of us have
been through hell and back together in here, Thanksgiving in
here is a beeotch!
#Post#: 5718--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: Joanna
Date: June 19, 2022, 4:26 am
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--- Quote from: donenot link ---
>
> Makes me wonder, am I a candidate for SA with my apathetic
attitude?
>
--- End Quote ---
Reminds me of the time when I was trying to keep my ego alive by
writing pages and pages of affirmations like "my life has
meaning". Spoiler alert, didn't work ;P What I needed to do was
to accept the fact that the life as I knew it was coming to an
end and let myself mourn it. Tears are the best solvent.
"Sell the house. Sell the car. Sell the kids. Find someone else.
Forget it. I'm never coming back."
I'd say don't leave it. Mourn it. And then whatever stays stays.
Whatever goes goes. Whatever comes comes.
#Post#: 5719--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: Joanna
Date: June 19, 2022, 5:56 am
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--- Quote from: donenot link ---
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> Joanna was saying something about the ego that wants to die,
to which I promptly replied that the ego’s essence is
resisting/maintaining so it would never want to die.
>
--- End Quote ---
The tragic situation of ego. The thing it fears the most and the
thing it longs for the most are the same thing. Own death.
#Post#: 5720--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: Frits Snips
Date: June 19, 2022, 1:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Joanna link ---
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> [quote author=donenot link=topic=201.msg5710#msg5710
date=1655553746]
> Joanna was saying something about the ego that wants to die,
to which I promptly replied that the ego’s essence is
resisting/maintaining so it would never want to die.
>
--- End Quote ---
The tragic situation of ego. The thing it fears the most and the
thing it longs for the most are the same thing. Own death.
[/quote]
Funny how you have no idea what you're talking about, absolutely
no sense of what "ego" actually is and how it works.
#Post#: 5721--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: rgardner
Date: June 19, 2022, 3:38 pm
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Frits, you have no accepted authority to call out anyone's views
or perceptions as false. In fact, you said you were leaving
this site, only to return as an antagonist. Of course, my ego
conflicts with your "ego". ;D
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Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: Frits Snips
Date: June 19, 2022, 6:10 pm
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--- Quote from: rgardner link ---
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> Frits, you have no accepted authority to call out anyone's
views or perceptions as false. In fact, you said you were
leaving this site, only to return as an antagonist. Of course,
my ego conflicts with your "ego". ;D
>
--- End Quote ---
Like I said before — but hey, you never listen, do you? — I
wasn't leaving, just taking a breather. And I don't need an
"accepted authority" to state the obvious.
Man, I understand you are trying to reclaim your status on this
forum, but this is not the way.
#Post#: 5723--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: Joanna
Date: June 20, 2022, 6:39 am
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--- Quote from: Frits Snips link ---
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> [quote author=Joanna link=topic=201.msg5719#msg5719
date=1655636180]
> [quote author=donenot link=topic=201.msg5710#msg5710
date=1655553746]
> Joanna was saying something about the ego that wants to die,
to which I promptly replied that the ego’s essence is
resisting/maintaining so it would never want to die.
>
--- End Quote ---
The tragic situation of ego. The thing it fears the most and the
thing it longs for the most are the same thing. Own death.
[/quote]
Funny how you have no idea what you're talking about, absolutely
no sense of what "ego" actually is and how it works.
[/quote]
If I were you I would contemplate the difference between
closed-hearted "i don't care" and open-hearted "i don't mind".
You may find your lost ego.
#Post#: 5724--------------------------------------------------
Re: thinking the unthinkable
DIR By: donenot
Date: June 21, 2022, 5:50 am
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--- Quote from: whois link ---
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>
> Donenot, have you been diagnosed with schizophrenia
>
> or
>
> was it temporary psychosis?
>
--- End Quote ---
well, they didn't caught us yet! not guilty of schizzo, until
proven .. haha, that would be a surprise!
and temporary psychosis - what raised the alarm?
--- Quote ---
>
> The inner world might be infinitely more interesting and (more
importantly) understandable. Which makes it SAFE, much safer
than any unexpected events in that big wide world out there. We
all know it is not 100% safe, although from my life experience..
it is much safer than people imagine it to be in their minds.
>
> But this tendency for the inner exploration also traps one
inside, with no impetus to move, no interest towards life at
large, the gripping indifference, the permanent void of 'no
life'. It's a struggle.
>
> 'a sense of self-importance + fear' can destroy any chance of
independent living.
>
--- End Quote ---
some things are obvious to some while being alien to others.
you emphasize here the negative aspects of life which may get
one on the gloomy side.
good things can do that too... oh crap, i won't go into 'all is
suffering'
i will say this: give me a little of this, and a little of that,
not too much, and not to little, and i'll get cozy, happpyy,
forgetful, numb. the devil is most efficacious in small dosages.
--- Quote ---
>
> I am not saying this to insult you in any way. You have
humility as I noted before, and this is appreciated much here.
You made a lot of good points. My question is.. why did you come
to consider self inquiry (SA if you wish, but I expressed my
opinion on the term)?
>
--- End Quote ---
ok, i may be chicken but you're not calling it.
why i came to shelf inquiry (although i think we should give
credit to the man's literary expression) as a method? i don't
see the point of this question - don't you know who i am?
donenot
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