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       hauling it back down the mountain
   DIR By: biisuto
       Date: August 17, 2018, 8:00 am
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       For your delectation and delight. Love, hate or remain
       indifferent to him, here’s a guy who’s currently going deep into
       the dirtiest parts of the plumbing of our civilisation... found
       this that he published four years back, talking about where he’s
       coming from...hmmm.
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       #Post#: 3964--------------------------------------------------
       Re: hauling it back down the mountain
   DIR By: biisuto
       Date: August 17, 2018, 8:09 am
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       miss you guys and the rough and tumble
       of the old days  - even N [emoji255]
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       Re: hauling it back down the mountain
   DIR By: Plato
       Date: August 23, 2018, 10:01 am
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       Hey B, nice to hear from you! :)
       I got as far as: "And I felt, the good thing to do, the right
       thing to do, the responsible thing to do was to go back and help
       others..." sorry bro, thats where I have to get off the train,
       go back and guru because you WANT to, there is no other reason
       and all his reasons for going back are just his ego's need to
       placate a dichotomy, to justify it's choices by utilizing the
       bogus Bodhisatva call to "stay behind until all sentient beings
       are saved".
       It's crap, do what you do because you want to, any other reason
       or validation is ego, pure and simple.
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       Re: hauling it back down the mountain
   DIR By: Frits
       Date: August 23, 2018, 12:14 pm
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       Hahaha, Plato, I couldn't watch one second of it... all I saw
       was an enormous ego showing off how wonderful and important he
       believes to be. So I stopped watching, can't take that kinda
       sh1t anymore. :)
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       Re: hauling it back down the mountain
   DIR By: biisuto
       Date: September 24, 2018, 8:13 am
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       (Sorry, I missed your response, Sklato, and other thread posts,
       as I had notifications switched off. I came back to say hi and
       share and see what you guys have been up to. I'll try to catch
       up on the other threads I've noticed. )
       --- Quote from: Plato link ---
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       > ...It's crap, do what you do because you want to, any other
       reason or validation is ego, pure and simple.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Oh, totally! No contest on that...I'm not retreating back up the
       mountain any time soon and have stopped vilifying ego, but
       continue instead with my chosen project to deconstruct this
       accumulated life.
       "Done" is really only the end of questions about what is, not
       the actual work part of cleaning up what-is-not. That emptiness
       where I had long-dreamed an "I" was cannot be disidentified and
       has framed (or, rather, defenestrated) everything since.
       This and my current unwillingness to depart Seahaven for good
       explains why I went through the mental wellness tools and
       techniques that I was studying for a few years. Last year I
       stumbled upon an actual, bona fide Autolytic program (there's
       nothing 'spiritual' about any of this ...unless it all is),
       which has become quite a useful tool I've been slowly and much
       more thoroughly working through and by which I've been able to -
       like an old balloon, reanimate the persona and see through its
       eyes things like "my family", "my childhood",  "my career" and
       "my politics", what's happening  "out in the world" and, through
       an entirely new perceptual lens of my own continuous grinding,
       watching what's happening.
       And - beginning with ND (as opposed to finishing with it), it is
       all these kind of 'techniques' that have kind of been
       self-organising as a range of tools that I am loosely calling
       "mental hygiene" (being practices that promote healthy
       introspection, integration and wellbeing). It is through the
       research to discover and experimental application of many of
       them myself that the long-term funk I awoke within (before I
       knew of Jed) has utterly dissipated.
       And given First World mental unwellness is endemic enough to
       show up in the flesh of fish as measurable amounts of
       anti-depressant, having been urinated into coastal waterways,
       I'm pretty happy to share what I'm learning, instead of watching
       smugly from the transcendent heights.
       This is why I continue to do my modest radio show, to share with
       listeners and talk with others likewise treading their own path.
       I started back three weeks ago after a three month hiatus
       (travels and retooling)but it's been running for coming up two
       years now.
       No gurudom here, just empirical observation and un-ironic
       amusement to observe mainstream psychs and psychoanalysts
       donning beads and hand-woven cotton garments and delivering
       workshops on mindfulness, veganism and nature appreciation.
       Curiosity and disdain likewise for the PC Cultural Marxists
       trying to seize power from "the Patriarchy" through the
       intersectional application of nihilism - but only to be
       expected, really.
       Bringing us back to Molyneux. He's quite an ethno-nationalist,
       which makes it even curiouser. I find him a little irritating,
       personally, especially when he tries to be funny, but then he
       also offers some really perceptive nuggets as well. I was well
       impressed with his podcast on the fall of Rome.
       I only shared that video with you because I stumbled across it
       in surprise, after watching a number of his historical lectures.
       He came through our city a few months back and I didn't know who
       he was and didn't see him either, but his talk was fresh, very
       bold and iconoclastic when I viewed it afterwards on YouTube.
       Have any of you taken an interest in the debates between Jordan
       Peterson and Sam Harris?
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       Re: hauling it back down the mountain
   DIR By: Plato
       Date: September 24, 2018, 10:01 am
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       Ive been watching a lot of Christopher Hitchens debates lately,
       so entertaining! talk about an iconoclast, too bad he left the
       planet seemingly a little early. I've read both Peterson and
       Harris, of the two I lean toward Harris although his is a dry
       atheism, lacking an understanding or experience of the "love"
       end of the spectrum that comes with a god-consciousness
       experience. Peterson, while doing a pretty decent job of
       defending the indefensible (religions' role in society), comes
       off as an arrogant ass most of the time, I had to force my way
       to the end of his 12 rules for life, it starts out great with
       his lobster story but gets so bogged down as he slogs through
       his religious beliefs, his constant "I" "I" "I" gets a bit
       nauseating.
       I'll have to check out the debates, didn't know they had
       debated.
       Sounds like you're busy as ever B, good on ya mate, good to here
       from you as always. ;)
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       Re: hauling it back down the mountain
   DIR By: biisuto
       Date: October 2, 2018, 4:46 pm
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       Glad to hear - loved Hitch! Just a quick one:
       Peterson doesn't defend religious institutions, per se - as in,
       the often militant worship of imaginary old, white robed men
       riding cloud chairs. Rather, he champions the wisdom contained
       in thousands of years of religious stories, distilled from
       millions of years of accumulated lived experience, transferred
       between generations as the very OS of human (predominately
       Western) culture, that already solved a lot of the fundamental
       evolutionary survival issues that allowed our current gene pool
       to bootstrap itself out of the stone age and launch itself into
       space, before becoming mired in self-destructive wars and
       ideologically sticky mind traps, such as the dichotomy between
       Marxism and Capitalism, as well as techno-worship, social media
       narcissism and consumerism.
       He doesn't dismiss the God part of religion though either,
       preferring that the element of mystery …that the wizard be
       granted the dignity of remaining behind the curtain, to remind
       us not to devolve into hubris or nihilism…whereas Harris (in
       their widely publicised debates together - 2 in Vancouver
       moderated by Bret Weinstein, 1 in Dublin and another in London,
       both moderated by Douglas Murray) exhorts us to pull back the
       curtain and be done with religion altogether, because of its
       obvious downside (Islam and pedo priests, for starters). Check
       out the YoutUbe channel for Pangbourn Philosophy, who hosted the
       debates. The Dublin and second Vancouver debates are my faves.
       I don't think they actually disagree on almost anything, but
       spin their beautiful webs for the benefit of the crowds to
       demonstrate that it's time to pull it all apart and have a good
       look, because time for our civilisation is running short.
       It's truly a great time to be alive…and have one foot on the
       mountain, which is the best possible seat in the house.
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