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       #Post#: 3561--------------------------------------------------
       Nessa is right.
   DIR By: Plato
       Date: August 27, 2017, 4:55 pm
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       So it turns out that Jed at IGF is Kenneth R McMordie. Tax
       evader and Ponzi schemer. How do I know? Irrefutable evidence
       (not speculation) was dropped in my lap via Frits via Nessa via
       some other guy on Youtube. Or at least partial evidence, I
       unknowingly had the other half of the equation sitting in my
       phone in an app called Voice Memo that I used to record the
       first contemplation of the Nav Series.
       In comparing the two audio sequences, of McMordie on a tv show
       posted here by Frits and my own recording of the Nav Series it
       is beyond obvious that this is the same person. Nessa's posts on
       her site seem to fill in the details although I just started
       looking at them today for the first time.
       That being said I don't have any regrets on my experience at
       IGF, the forum was the perfect setting for the exploration I was
       already doing, what I experienced and then ultimately didn't
       experience was and is abiding, the mind that spun circles around
       itself 24/7 is quiet, suffering nonexistent. The books set me on
       the path to seeing what isn't, Kenneth R McMordie or Jed
       McKenna? Who cares? I've always maintained that I didn't care if
       it was really Jed or not, it's about the message, the messenger
       never mattered at all.
       In his book "Perfect, Brilliant Stillness" David Carse explains
       that in his opinion ANYONE charging a fee to pass on information
       on enlightenment is a dubious character at best and is most
       certainly not enlightened. I've paid a lot of money for several
       self awareness seminars put on by a company named PSI, they've
       been around since the '70's and as far as I can tell are an
       offshoot of EST and Werner Earhardt's teachings. Those seminars,
       taken 25 years ago, were honestly the best money I've ever spent
       on myself, consequently it was easy for me to see value in
       paying for something (Navs) that was an investment in Self
       (before this understanding, there is no self).
       So, apologies to Nessa, not only is she intelligent, she is also
       wary, one might say paranoid, but in a good way it seems, part
       of her Russian ancestry I guess. Her feminine intuition is
       excellent it seems and her basic powers of deduction, especially
       when it comes to human character, are unparalleled. And...
       sometimes she's just plain wrong, she's made assessments about
       people in here that have turned out to be wrong (albeit from
       very incomplete data) but when it comes to Jed/Kenneth she's
       done her homework, no doubt in my mind anymore, not because she
       says so but because I've put two and two together, I've heard
       the tapes.
       #Post#: 3563--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: Plato
       Date: August 27, 2017, 5:01 pm
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       Just so it's in this thread...
       --- Quote from: Frits link ---
       >
       > Hi, back again, I think only for this. Turns out the Jed from
       the IGF is a conman. Did anyone here pay money for the Navigator
       thing? You've been conned.
       >
       > This was posted on the invisible guru forum:
       >
       > "I expect that this post will be deleted by the moderator
       quickly.
       >
       > Therefore, I suggest that those of you who are reading it take
       screenshots of this post, and share them in this forum and
       elsewhere, if and when it is deleted.
       >
       > I've known for years that the creator of this forum wasn't the
       guy who wrote the Jed McKenna books. How do I know? I know the
       guy who wrote the books, and have met him face-to-face.
       >
       > Problem is, I can't prove it, without violating "real" Jed's
       privacy. I told "real" Jed about this forum, years ago, but he
       didn't respond, so I let it go.
       >
       > A couple of days ago, I found a website that claimed to expose
       the creator of this website—a Canadian living in Cambodia named
       Kenneth Robert McMordie, alleges
  HTML https://enlightenmentmyth.com/jed-mckenna-2/chapter-4-the-origins/4-7-the-video-and-the-name/—as<br
       />a serial fraudster.
       >
       > However, the creator of that website apparently believes that
       Mr. McMordie wrote the Jed McKenna books, despite recognizing
       that he's a serial scammer.
       >
       > After discovering that website, I told "real" Jed about it.
       >
       > His publisher responded, this morning, by posting the
       following, at the bottom of the homepage of
  HTML http://www.wisefoolpress.com
       :
       >
       > P.S. Jed McKenna is not an active teacher, online or off. He
       does not engage in social media or forums. He does not give
       classes or workshops or accept money from students. He has no
       teachings or products other than those offered by WiseFool Press
       and our international publishing partners. Anyone claiming to be
       Jed or to speak for him is misrepresenting themselves.
       >
       > I imagine that the creator of this forum will come up with
       some ridiculous rationalization for that, or try to play mind
       games / word games, to convince you all that that disclaimer
       should not by taken as a clear indication that the creator of
       this forum is a con artist who is impersonating the "real" Jed
       McKenna for personal profit (e.g., his $1500 three-month online
       "Navigator" course, his $900 follow-up course, or stays in his
       supposed Cambodian ashram). That's assuming that he doesn't
       delete this post, and ban me from the forum, instead.
       >
       > I also imagine that some of you so desperately want to believe
       that you're interacting with the "real" Jed, that you will
       continue to do so, despite the disclaimer, at the bottom of the
       homepage of (
  HTML http://www.wisefoolpress.com
       ). And some of you, I
       imagine, will claim that it doesn't matter. I don't wish to
       argue with you. Believe what you want to believe.
       >
       > Finally, please don't bother asking me about my interactions
       with "real" Jed. I won't discuss them, because I respect his
       privacy. And I don't expect you to take my word for it. I have
       no evidence that I feel comfortable sharing with you that I know
       "real" Jed. Really, whether I know "real" Jed or not, is beside
       the point.
       >
       > The disclaimer that was just posted on
  HTML http://www.wisefoolpress.com
       should hopefully be proof enough
       that the creator of this forum is impersonating "real" Jed. If
       it isn't, then so be it.
       >
       > If any of you wasted any of your hard-earned money on this
       charlatan, I suggest you file a complaint with a legal
       authority. In the United States, for example, you could file a
       complaint with the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3;
  HTML https://www.ic3.gov/).
       If you paid via MoneyGram or Western
       Union to the guy he claims is his "lawyer," in Sihanoukville,
       Cambodia, a guy by the name of Thorn Morn, note that the only
       Thorn Morn in Sihanoukville on Facebook—at
  HTML https://www.facebook.com/thorn.morn—lists
       his occupation on
       Facebook not as lawyer, but as "Receptionist at Sokhom Guest
       House."
       >
       > In case anyone is wondering what my motivation is, in sharing
       all of this, it is simple: I dislike deceit.
       >
       > Finally, please don't bother asking me questions. I probably
       won't reply. My advice, for what it's worth: stop wasting time
       and money on this charlatan, and, if appropriate, report him to
       a legal authority, as well as the owners of this website (via
       the "Report Abuse" link, at the very bottom of this page)."
       >
       > [attachimg=1]
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 3567--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: biisuto
       Date: August 27, 2017, 9:26 pm
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       I'm impressed with The Ness.
       My interest now is whether Jed is just throwing his forum under
       a bus in order to save the publishing empire - and whether Dirk
       is another Jed alter ego.
       Still a big fan of the works and - and now the spinoff
       mini-series as well! [emoji4][emoji106]
       #Post#: 3569--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: Frits
       Date: August 28, 2017, 2:19 am
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       I'd like to state that I do not endorse the quote Plato used.
       It's not mine, I did not write that. Thank you.
       #Post#: 3570--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: zero
       Date: August 28, 2017, 4:30 am
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       ok , probably she was right...
       but also this guy  ;) : "If any one of you is without sin, let
       him be the first to throw a stone... "
       -
       I thought the scoop of Nessa concerned some macabre
       cult-homocide  ::)
       instead is about tax...
       Clearly I do not approve Jed'conduct, however the entire society
       is a Ponzi scheme in itself.
       #Post#: 3571--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: zero
       Date: August 28, 2017, 10:15 am
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       I didn't see the entire tv show.
       In short:
       How do you know that this Kenneth is a "Tax evader"?
       I mean real proofs, documents, legal-accusations from
       autorieties...
       Is there some lawsuite against this funny moneymaker?
       -
       Anyway.
       I firmly believe that (unless you are an anti-fraud officer)
       spying the life of someone is childish adn unfair, specially if
       you are a deluded spiritual-seeker as clearly is Nessa.
       #Post#: 3573--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: Plato
       Date: August 28, 2017, 12:21 pm
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       Interesting that Jed let this thread at IGF
  HTML http://jedmckenna.createaforum.com/general-discussion/censored-wisefoolpress-com-published-a-disclaimer-exposing-the-creator-1459/<br
       />
       stay up for 7 pages of comments but right after I posted my
       observation that Jed from IGF and McMordie have the exact same
       voice he immediately took it down. It is McMordie, I'd stake my
       life on it after hearing both voices. The pics at Nessa's site
       also look to be McMordie albeit 15 years older. Whether he wrote
       the books or not, I'm guessing not, I still like him but isn't
       that a con man's job? he does it well.
       Here are a couple of his exploits;
  HTML http://bc.ctvnews.ca/group-must-repay-16-million-to-ponzi-victims-1.447486
  HTML http://kenneth-robert-mcmordie.blogspot.com/
  HTML https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/can.taxes/BtoO4qYUr8E
       Remember that on the tax interview he goes by the name Byron Fox
       but gives his real name as Kenneth R McMordie. He could easily
       be on the lam from the Ponzi scheme as he was found liable to
       pay 16 million back that was taken from investors, they allude
       to the fact that the 4 conspirators were no where to be found in
       the article.
       Also, the Nav series has been in my drop box for over 2 years
       but is now suddenly gone, I was lucky that I saved the one
       recording to my phone or I wouldn't have been able to put 2 and
       2 together.
       #Post#: 3575--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: j(
       Date: August 28, 2017, 3:04 pm
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       I've been convinced for a long time that the person running igf
       is not the author of the Jed McKenna material. I did chuckle
       several times about nessas wild goose chase in SE Asia knowing
       it wasn't getting her any closer to the author of the books but
       didn't realize that so many people were paying for the nav
       series thing. Can he even get into trouble seeing that he told
       people things like "you won't get it" or "there is nothing to
       get"? I mean he technically told people that they were wasting
       their time and for them to ship an internet stranger money for a
       virtual ashram where they are going to become "enlightened" I
       mean really? Wtf this seriously happened to someone? I'm more
       shocked that people actually fell for it ::)
       Especially anyone who has read Jed McKenna.
       #Post#: 3576--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: zero
       Date: August 28, 2017, 3:06 pm
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       dunno guys,
       I give up...
       This all story is so gimcrack, that I don't really care... about
       strangers tax evaders, about someone called Kenneth, about
       "real/fake Jed", about "Nessa-KGB-investigation".
       I find puerile drawing up the identikit of a writer.
       I find naive be scandalized for ponzi scheme, as if it were a
       personal issue.  [by the way, if I pay for nav, means that I
       want give my money - a lot of money - to an unfamiliar guy,
       risking online swindle...]
       I find vain and pointless the Nessa chase... A DonQuixote
       Battle.
       sorry for my harsh tone, don't mean to offend nobody.
       #Post#: 3578--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Nessa is right.
   DIR By: Plato
       Date: August 28, 2017, 6:06 pm
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       Cant disagree with anything said here, people do what their
       programming tells them to until the don't, and... then they
       still do, but at least there is the awareness that it's
       programming and not a choice. Both your opinions about people,
       things and events were set in place long before you expressed
       them here in this thread, as are mine, its the way this is, you
       either know it or you do not, awake or asleep, thats the only
       difference I see.
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