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#Post#: 3439--------------------------------------------------
how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: zero
Date: June 19, 2017, 11:43 am
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today i was thinking about the correlation between practice (SA,
expose the false, lsd, stop the teller, silence, meditation,
etc.) and enlightenment.
I've came up with a metaphor:
- practice = a mean of locomotion to move faster in dreamland
- walking without vehicle imply ordinary life,
non-(spiritual)-practice, knowing nothing about any spiritual
stuff
- both practitioner (serious spiritual seeker) and
non-practitioner could be equally thunderstruck by the light of
Truth
- the thunderbolt (Grace) falls where/when he/she wants... not
when you "feel ready" cause of 10000 hours of meditation or a
lot of autolysis
- but the practitioner (the one with pure intent) has this
advantage -> moving "high altitude", near the storm, a place of
power (x castaneda), a danger zone with an higher probability of
being shooted by Zeus or Thor (:)) ... in JM terminology, i
suppose this means to do the First Step
i know Jed point of view is slightly different, but i think
there could be a lot of theory about enlightenment.
Jed's First Step:
--- Quote ---
>
> This is experienced as a shrinking of the world, a
constriction of reality and self, and it tightens and tightens
until it creates a pressure so unendurable that the First Step
is taken involuntarily, spontaneously, irrevocably.
>
> [...]
>
> An interesting question is whether Ahab chose his destiny or
it chose him. From the knife passage it might seem that he was
just a whaling captain who was going about his normal business
when the First Step struck him like a bolt from the blue; hit
him like a bus. However, we see that there was something in Ahab
before that turning point that makes it unclear where the line
between volition and fate is really drawn when it comes to the
First Step, or anything else for that matter.
--- End Quote ---
In my view, if you place yorself in some places (could be stay
in samadi for hours, talk with a master or literally moving in
special-locality), maybe (maybe!) something happens. In order to
be thunderstruck, once you have reached a certain point, you
must give up everything, stop even thinking about Truth... Just
look without expectation, stay calm, forget everything/everyone
(no more future-projects in dreamland), be ready to die in a
cool way (don't fear death), and if you are lucky you'll die
(your false-self die).
As Richard Rose:
"There’s no recipe for a lightning bolt.
Enlightenment is always an accident, but there are ways of
making yourself more accident prone”
So practice is simple a way to make yourself more accident
prone... but at the end is not up to you. Actually the doer's is
matematically irrelevant, but not totally: the little
differences (First Step) can make - eventually - a big
Difference.
#Post#: 3440--------------------------------------------------
Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: Plato
Date: June 19, 2017, 5:19 pm
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The issue as I see it with practice, any practice, is that the
mind wants to take ownership of the practice and the ego wants
to use practice to aggrandize itself.
For example, keeping track of how often, how long or even how
deep, one meditates or for how many years or what guru gave you
the practice, lineage... all of these things and many, many more
are just ways the mind strengthens it's spiritual superiority
over others, reinforcing the false self instead of gaining
insight through it. One "thinks" they are on the path, totally
unaware that the thinking is what has taken them from presence
in the first place. If there were such thing as a problem, then
this might be it.
These are finely tuned traps and are easily fallen into. Whether
focusing on that information within one's own mind (relishing)
or expressing it to someone else (bragging) it is the same, the
spiritual ego gets bigger, the self more grandiose. Just typing
this information to you could lead a "me" to feel superior to a
"you" and voila', my ego boost is complete through a made up
sense of spirituality that "I" can take some sort of pride and
ownership in.
But this is what the Understanding erases, one's ability to
ascribe ownership of anything because there is no-one. This is
the sense that abides, there is no one home. You see this seeker
"problem" in every forum or Facebook thread, people trying to
"one up" the next guy with their "knowledge of the
understanding" when the actual Understanding, literally
obliterates the concept of knowledge in general, there is only
silence and maybe laughter left, watching these seekers
pontificate is like watching a guitar take pride and ownership
of the song that the Guitarist (Presence, all that is) plays on
it. It's simply ludicrous.
All that being said, it was S/A that led me to see my own
spiritual ego which precipitated the cascade failure of that ego
and opened the gate for the All to drop in, practice then has
it's place but like anything the mind focuses on, it can be
inverted to the ego's will. So practice is like the mind in the
metaphor of the thorn, it can be used to unstick another thorn
(mind) or it can just get stuck and be an added layer of new
conditioning that will make the job even more challenging,
strengthening not weakening one's idea of self.
#Post#: 3441--------------------------------------------------
Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: zero
Date: June 21, 2017, 7:44 am
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Great Plato,
love that one:
--- Quote ---
> practice then has it's place but like anything the mind
focuses on, it can be inverted to the ego's will. So practice is
like the mind in the metaphor of the thorn, it can be used to
unstick another thorn (mind) or it can just get stuck and be an
added layer...
--- End Quote ---
Ramana used to say that the act of practicing should be like a
stick that stirs the fire yet is consumed by it. While burning,
stick releases his natural flavor.
The effective practice is not a gaining but loosening the grip
of that self-practitioner (spiritual ego), an exponential
ceasing of the believing/sense of doership.
[i've read/listened so many times this senteces that sometimes
nauseated this brain... sometimes also reading Jed-tales is
annoying - because i've read it before in sooo many sausaces,
the moral of the fairy tale is always the same. However he has
the ability to put in a very tasty-manner]
--- Quote ---
> Just typing this information to you could lead a "me" to feel
superior to a "you" and voila', my ego boost is complete
--- End Quote ---
i understand, it was a very common sensation for "me" (due to my
narcisistic-habitual-attitudes)...
Times ago I hacked my bio-computer, so for me typing letters is
just (using your good analogy) like touching a guitar strings:
just playing music, simply sounds without "esoteric-menaing" (as
before), not any correct/good/bad/blissful symphony, only
musical-notes.
This ordinary brain has neuro-tentencies, and i see them for
what they actually are, just accostumed movements of a
bio-machine made in italy. This machine likes pasta, pizza,
reacts/speks/daydreams/filters stimula in a custom way and
that's all fine. I really don't care so much about the
egostructure-feelings (neither mine or others). Old
memories/feelings/trends pops up and explode, every
relation/event is like this and that's fine.
Before was: "I have more knowledge than you, so I'm
better/powerful/awakened" or "I am altruistic so
special-open-hearted!"
Now is: "I have more info than you, so what?!" or "I
interact with more people, so what?"
Yesterday i was talking with a friend, I was verbally joking
with her, she then react badly. Her ego-structure (and the
meaning she attributes to my words) is not anymore my business,
therefore I know that whaterver i say is not relevant (as my
mind thinks), even if is about enlightenment or Truth.
F.b., twitter, blogs... all sheet music, sometimes redundat
sometimes original. Let's sing, listen, stay silent, write your
score. Anyhow is the same song.
Right now - for me - this new mindset is a great achievement
[not "mine" virtue of course]. The old discriminative-paradigme
is still working, but not so fast as before, now is slowly
fading.
Anyway I see clearly that is not about me, you or them, is just
an impersonal process: helping others is at the same time
helping yourself and ultimately no-self.
Quoting - more/less - Aristotele:
philosophy (or poetic language) is just a reaction to wonder.
#Post#: 3442--------------------------------------------------
Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: Plato
Date: June 22, 2017, 10:29 am
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Nice Zero,
In the guitar metaphor, on the "little lower level" is the fact
that the fictitious "I" does not play the guitar although it
thinks it does, it is the guitar and what can a guitar do by
itself? Nothing. It is Presence or "All that is" that plays or
moves through the guitar.
So "me" taking credit for anything this body/mind does, the
animating of it, is like a guitar taking credit for any sound
emitted from it, on top of that, did the guitar create itself?
The All then gets credit for EVERYTHING. The instrument and the
playing thereof, the body/mind and the actions thereof. So then
what happens to a supposed ego that actually can take no credit
for the form it thinks it is (body/mind) nor the animating of
that form (life) that it thinks it is the author of?
It becomes impotent, it was always the "child of a barren women"
or "the bird in an empty cage" anyway and when seen through
fully, in an abiding way, it just is what it always was;
nothing, just an elaborate construction of thought built over
decades. it only seems real because the mind (which built it)
has a vested interest in believing in it. And yet no belief is
true, so again we are left with an empty cage or a non fertile
woman, there was never an ego in the first place, only our
belief in one.
The problem then arises for the seeker, how can my mind stop
this fiction of self and the answer is; it can't, only the
stoppage of mind itself can facilitate the end of the ego's
"reign of terror" and that's why Grace is required, there is a
lot of talk in seeker circles of "gaps" in the thinking process
and trying to foster them through meditation, Tolle's "Power of
Now" is an effort to keep the mind in the moment so that it
can't focus on constantly strengthening it's own ego, this
sounds good but it's all just fluff, the mind can't stop itself
from thinking.
Grace, (whatever that is) from outside of the mind is needed to
completely shut the mind down or put it in it's place as a tool
versus the usurper and tyrant it has become. One can use the
mind against itself, a thorn to pluck out a thorn, this can box
the mind into a corner which can create an opening for Grace but
there are no guarantees.
In the experience here, there was a destabilizing of the self
through total honesty in S/A that triggered a release or
surrender of "my" hold on "my" ideas about "my" spirituality;
the columns that supported my spiritual ego. This then
precipitated the "seeing through" of the self brought on by
Grace. The proverbial pebble that hits hard enough against the
ceramic pot to start the cascade failure of the vessel, to the
subsequent astonishment, horror and eventual end of the self,
the dying before one is dead act, leaving stillness. Simply
everything I thought I was, along with the entity that thought
those thoughts, is seen as nothing, a "witnessing entity"
stillness remaining, the peace that passeth understanding and
nothing more.
None of what I just typed above means anything or expresses what
it was like at all, there is the experience before and the
experience after, these are just what it was like in the dream
for this dream character but the out of time in between these
events... shifted everything. Nothing now is like it was before,
every thought is seen though almost as it arises as "not mine"
there is no me and there is never a time in the dream that this
"witnessing entity" is not aware of this fact, I still play my
role, chop wood carry water but I am never tempted to think it's
real or means anything.
This is the difference, I witness as if from a train slowly
moving across the flatlands of Kansas while supposed others
scream and carry on like the sky is falling from their
terrifying seats in roller coasters, it's really quite amusing
and is where Jed gets his "It's all just entertainment" schtick
from.
#Post#: 3446--------------------------------------------------
Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: zero
Date: June 23, 2017, 11:34 am
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Cool!
i like diving in such similitudes, just to kill the time and
keep the brain in shape.
guitarist-guitar-sound are an unique package ("Presence", "God",
"Mr. Nobody/Everybody")... in this perspective there is no
distinction between perceptor-perception-object perceived.
There is only free/unbounded movement.
Who/from where, when begins, towards what? (aka "who am I",
etc... typical spiritual-seeker questions)
Who cares?
... is free (you're always freed), therefore these questions are
irrelevant.
I'm writing as if I were the Presence because "i'm That" as
everybody else.
So, overthrowing my own argument, also the "ego-illusory
doership-dream/character is That". No more bloody ego-death
(whatever it means) needed. Just resting in Peace.
--- Quote ---
> In the experience here, there was a destabilizing of the self
through total honesty in S/A that triggered a release or
surrender of "my" hold on "my" ideas about "my" spirituality
--- End Quote ---
thanks for your witness, is always useful. I needed to read
"good news" !
good summer!
#Post#: 3460--------------------------------------------------
Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: biisuto
Date: June 25, 2017, 6:26 am
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Sklato... your post was waaaay too long to mess with quotes
using my phone here... but it was powerful enough to read a few
times, man, and I love ❤️ it.
I just ❤️ it and it moves me to respond thisaways:
Ego may be a lie and a mere trick of the light, as it were, but
it functions perfectly in its job as individuating imperfection,
overlaying an imaginary, localising "me" onto passing events
and, like pulling on 3D goggles, enables Brahmin the experience
of Atmanic "coming atcha": the rough-and-tumble of an otherwise
unpunctuated, eventless stream of light and sound, the
interpretive dance of a universe in seeming motion.
It is not that which experiences, but is the very experience
that occurs within the field, as experiencing.
It feels jealousy or sadness when bodies move apart and jeopardy
when they move together too fast… and fervently believes (its
function being to believe) that the emotional weight it projects
upon what it sees as external objects and events is inherent in
those objects and events… and, as the thing we know as 'mind',
creates (and then forgets it created) the very narrative to
which it believes it is responding accordingly.
It's the very shortsighted, disjointedness of the manufactured
relative that makes up that which entertains the omniscient,
interconnectness of the absolute.
And, in those still moments in the cascading thoughtstream…
those gaps in the glowing green flow of Matrix data… when the
eventless void behind it resolves into momentary focus and Truth
is recognised as and by itself, does the alien fakeness of the
Lie return to the foreground of awareness… and fuck up an
otherwise cool party.
….
Your explanation of Ness by way of saying she skipped HA… Sorry,
I'm not buying it and I think you're much too charitable in your
attempt to sell it, my friend.
Returning to another thread, about freefall: you don't get to
where this thing goes without passing through HA.
And cleaning up afterwards is the law, or else all you've done
is turned a self … a your-self… into a dissociative psychotic
entity… and, rather perversely, done so kinda on purpose.
TR is sanity. The purest (and thus only real) sanity possible,
merely because it is nothing more than an absence of insane
elements, i.e., lies.
But what we're seeing in Nessa's claims and that Jed Reality
Show website is not sanity at all. Worse, it actually appears to
be the worst kind of egoic SELF-aggrandisement … Dunno if you've
seen any of it on Facebook, but add it to her slow-release
cock-tease revealing of the wizard has unfortunately outed her
for the very kind of opportunist she decries.
And what's blatantly, beautifully on show is what happens when
you don't clean up the mess you made when you did all that work
stripping away the false, then it all flies back together and
reforms, like the Van Allen Belt… becoming a gravity well for a
grotesque amalgam of a self, a caricature, like the 'smile' on
Heath Ledger's Joker.
That’s not TR and it's not HA… and it's not really HC anymore
either… so what is it…?
Maybe The Joker isn't a bad analogy in other ways here? …If we
label Jed as The Batman…?
Begging also the 'nemesis' label N put on her previous love/hate
interest… and watch history repeat itself, while Maya just
smiles on…
#Post#: 3461--------------------------------------------------
Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: j(
Date: June 25, 2017, 8:20 am
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Mike can I ask you a serious question? I am curious, as it seems
there still is some calculations going on, if you've jumped man
or are just plotting an elegant and graceful landing somewhere
for all to see. You've got to heave the whole thing in there.
You don't get to just stick your head in and see if it makes
sense, looks right, logical ect.. Do you think that TR , HA
could possibly help some sort of serious situation? Like maybe
save a life or something sick like that? Just imagine how free
one would be if they were to wake up from this dream of
significance and importance and to the fact that your already
barrelling at light speed toward your oblivion and all this
agonizing about the way it should look nothing but distracts you
from the natural beauty of all those footholds and fancy
descriptors flying by before you even have a chance to locate or
grasp one.
Rant over, I want to have this conversation and I tried before
but it didn't "look right" so we got no where.
My serious question. What is this thing supposed to look like to
you?
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Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: Plato
Date: June 25, 2017, 9:21 am
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An H/C person wouldn't need to erase her tracks here and at
Jed's, a child would do just such a thing, throw the cookie jar
into the trash hoping by doing so no one will find out who ate
all the cookies. Here is the rub on your Batman / Joker analogy,
the Batman lives firmly in the dream thinking it's real and he
has to "do" something to save humanity.. so he's not T/R'd, the
Joker on the other hand is a naughty child with adult capacities
and (Oh no) is T/R'd, he gets that nothing matters, he gets it
so deeply that he goes after humanity's most cherished beliefs
i.e.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,
which he knows are bullish!t.
He's like Justin, he gets angry when he senses bullish!t and he
wants to cut the tongue out of the person who espouses it rather
than laugh and move on. ;)
So he kills, he ensnares, he terrorizes, all in an effort to
prove that humanity and it's belief systems are a lie, he's Jed
McKenna on steroids. But this is a child's game, to flaunt
someone's faults never helps them see through them, attack can't
unravel the ego it only strengthens it because when one is
attacked they must defend. A good guru knows this and works at
the edges of the ego, never a frontal attack. The joker fails
and humanity's combined ego gets stronger, puts more rules and
laws in place to thwart the next attack.
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Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: j(
Date: June 25, 2017, 9:48 am
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There will be no interest in tounge cutting today unless the non
dual priest is back. I understand the dynamcs at play and have
taken on many roles here in that interest. I just find the dust
bunnies easier to sweep away when they are out here in the open,
however we need to do that. Just let me know. It's the only
reason to visit a place like this unless you're into mental
masterbation.
#Post#: 3464--------------------------------------------------
Re: how be thunderstruck and remain sane?
DIR By: j(
Date: June 25, 2017, 9:57 am
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--- Quote from: j( link ---
>
> There will be no interest in tounge cutting today unless the
non dual priest is back. I understand the dynamcs at play and
have taken on many roles here in that interest. I just find the
dust bunnies easier to sweep away when they are out here in the
open, however we need to do that. Just let me know. It's the
only reason to visit a place like this unless you're into mental
masterbation.
>
--- End Quote ---
Fixed ;)
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