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#Post#: 3431--------------------------------------------------
mind's parameter
DIR By: zero
Date: June 17, 2017, 10:23 am
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Hi guys,
I like your place
1) first, i'm an italian guy with a limited english skills, so
sorry for my mistakes
2) I'm a newbie in JM stuff/terminology, but not in this realm
[ways of inner growth, spirituality, blabla]
... i've read a lot about Jed theories, but not directly his
books - i'm starting these days. My first reaction was "This guy
is very cool, he thinks like me"... Furthermore Autolysis (and
going aways from false to meet truth) was a tecnique that i
already used -& still use - to deconstruct my non-self.
I'd like to share an intuition about how this biomachine
(body-mind) works. This intuition help me to understand the
function of this virtual-apparatus, and maybe can help someone
else. I think -not sure- Steve has talked about this distinction
- using other words, i don't remembere where.
Let's say that the cockpit operates with specifics parameters.
Let's riduce these parameters to three main value: 0, 1, ∞
zero = Nothingness mentality --> everithing is ultimately
virtual/unsubstantial/holographic/oniric --> typical
buddhist/advaita approch and maybe (sometimes) Jed's
prospective. The best "zero guru" is Ranjit Maharaj, and perhaps
UGKrishnamurti (even if he didn't agree)
one = Oneness mentality --> typical of religious/dogmatic stuff
(only one truth, one god, bad vs good, univocal
moral/politically correct rules. Strong identification with one
"self" (reptilian sense of ownership, mine vs yours, etc.)
∞ = infinite = nothing (not just-one-thing) --> so not
(just) one direction/aim/meaning/method/universe -> Consequently
no wrong direction, not univocal rules... here are included
tantra practitioners, alchemist or eclectics guru like Osho.
I don't know Ness, but i've read a lot of post about her. I
relate her stile to this parameter - Infinity (a profusion of
endless life's expression - contradictiory
feelings/thoughts/actions).
As Gurdjieff said, people are simple machine following
mechanically (without knowing why) a baseline parameter. They
don't like this existential reduction (no free will implication,
etc.), even if it's self-evident.
People with zero or ∞ , ratiocinate matrix data
(experiences) like Assassin's Creed motto ("Nothing is true,
everything is permitted").
When we born the agents put immediately in our heads the
"oneness" command-ment ("You shall have no other gods before
me"... where "me" includes "money", "job", "I", self-ego",
"truth", etc.). Then we grow up with this fanatic way of
speking/acting.
Luckily some of us meet special individuals or impersonal events
that shock our bio-machine. Then we start to re-value
everything. Like castaneda says, we lose our "human form" [ged
rid of conditioning mind] and we start to experience life for
what it is, an inexplicable conglomerate of energies.
The "one" value is replaced with ∞ or zero.
If in my actual mindset the first value is "zero", i will start
every observation/discussion/esperiences in a particular way.
I'll tend not to judge from a presupossed one-truth (typical of
"1" type machine). My character's emotions are not "so"
energized. The basic inner state is quitness. From this (zero)
perspective also enlightenment (for itself) is not a big deal,
is just an event like others. I will recognize that my natural
state was always like this, is not a credit of enlightened
gurus/practice thanks to whom i become "natural", i was
enlightened (natural) also before (conditioning). Now, as Plato
says, i'm just reminescent.... or - in tao's way - i just
redirect the vector away from projections and returned to the
origin.
Maybe the mathematical sum of some kind of events (nourished
with sublte "Aha" tricks - changing of perception) leads to the
"The Damnedest Thing".
For me this is simple a mind-shif from value 1 (your past rigid
world where all is solid, permanent, without alternatives) to
better value [zero or ∞].
This shift seems always involuntary, accidentally (as non-dual
gurus say), but perhaps there is a way (and i think so) to
induce easily this shift in yourself.
Jed recommend a never-stop SA or (if i'm not wrong) also strong
substances as catalyst, to accelerate a process of understanding
what the hell is going on in this dream-world.
The last implication of this model is that if i'm a "one type"
(lets say an extermely restricted mind character, with
unshakable convinction) is quite difficult - even impossibile -
to talk or understand a "zero/∞ type" (lets say an
extermely open mindend character). On the other hand if i'm a
zero/∞ type i can easily undestrand, maybe help a "one
type" (or "avoid" :D ). I've noticed that spiritual playground
is plenty of "mono-thinkers". Fortunately this cave is an
exception ;)
Ok, i stop here. Sorry for my strange language
see u
#Post#: 3432--------------------------------------------------
Re: mind's parameter
DIR By: biisuto
Date: June 17, 2017, 12:45 pm
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hi z! nice to read someone new here... i tell you, i admire your
ability to try and express this stuff in another language - it's
a proper challenge in my native language, so i can only imagine
trying in a foreign language.
please don't stop trying to communicate here, but i have to say
i'm not getting what you're writing. i'm sure it's not just the
language...but it doesn't help.
i'm going to bed now (i'm in West Australia) but will try to
read your post again tomorrow.
#Post#: 3433--------------------------------------------------
Re: mind's parameter
DIR By: zero
Date: June 18, 2017, 8:26 am
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haha,
thank'u biisuto
i'll try my best to be intelligible and maybe more synthetic.
anyway, the point was finding out the mind's state of ordinary
character (1 type) and non-ordinary (zero, ∞).
for mind state i mean a lot of things, but let's say the
charateristics of a pre-damnation individual (asleep dream-land)
vs post-damnation individual (desert). In post-damned phase u
can also live crazy weird magical experiences, but with a tons
of lucidity - without identification and involvemnet in the
charming show.
In my perspective we are simple flesh-machine and when in this
machine comes in some "mysterious" paramaters (zero, ∞ ),
it stars working in a fascinating way and very strange things
happen your life - like the realization that you don't exist.
UG Krishnamurti call this period "calamity", a little
deadh/rebirth.
This deadh/rebirth for him happen without a plausible reason.
For me happen because into his bio-machine runs "subtle
influences" (ideas,, energies, i don't know exactly) that stops
the odrinary ways of working (die) and a profound intelligence
takes over (rebirth).
These mysterious "suble influences" are like subliminal
commands, big ideas, life-changing intuitions/feelings (in one
word realizations).
If you put these commands (zero, ∞) deep in your machine,
something extraordinary could happen.
Put command means simply contemplating (seriously) the
possibility (as Paul Hedderman says) that you don't really
exist, that someone is dreaming your life, life is a zero sum
game, etc, etc.
In my experience, the profound contemplation of some idea like
these is kind shocking, you risk to lose your sanity (mentally).
If you are strong enought and a little carefree, you remain sane
but you realize the power of such ideas:
- you are zero, just an apparition on a stage, without any real
importance, easily replaceable with another numer/machine.
everything has zero value, non-essential, not-vital
- or maybe u are ∞, a wonderful awarness without a
beginning or an end, able to be/live/feel/express everything.
of course my trend is believe i am a beautiful zero, a
trasparent nothing in apparent multicolor action. (even if i
don't know what it means :) )
bye bye buddy
ps.
i know, i'm too much analytical
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