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   DIR By: haoruli
       Date: July 19, 2019, 2:37 pm
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       The topic that whether animals have rights can derive many
       questions. I think it is crucial to answer the question that
       should some animals have rights on the basis of complex thought?
       Personally, I think the answer is ye[size=10pt]s. Animals should
       have rights on the basis that they can think and feel pain.
       Human beings are complex evolved creatures who are accorded
       rights on the basis that they can think and to feel pain. Many
       other animals are also able to think (to some extent) and are
       certainly able to feel pain. Therefore, non-human animals should
       also be accorded rights, e.g. to a free and healthy life and
       safety.
       What is more, should animals be given rights on the basis that
       humans have rights? According to Darwin’s Origin of Species we
       have can know that human beings are related by common descent to
       all other animals. We suppose to consider animals as same lives
       as human beings that have rights.
       In conclusion, generally animals have rights in the sense that
       human beings are animals.
       Haoru Li[/size]
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   DIR By: Xuehuan Zhu
       Date: July 19, 2019, 10:20 pm
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       --- Quote from: Chris Wang yipeng link ---
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       > Does animal have rights? - Chris Wang
       >
       > "A common argument against recognition of the rights of farms
       animals takes the following forms. Since these animals would not
       be exist except for the economic interest that farmer has in
       raising them, his economic interests should determine how they
       oughted ti be treated" (Regan,458)  I my opinion, I personally
       don't believe animal have rights. First, how do you determine
       rights. I believe the right are made from human beings to be as
       if one had experienced it oneself. It should be a special form
       of sympathetic. Therefore, when most people say how little
       chickens were born and crushing in to meat balls they fell
       sympathy for them, and believe animals should have rights.
       Animals eat animals, human eat other animals. I do not agree
       with other's thoughts of animals should be equally treated as
       human. But as a human, I do feel sympathy for animals as well,
       people should eat meat and need meat. Not everyone would become
       a vegetarian. We should not make it be extreme. Have some kind
       of animals undter suitable treatment is some kind of progress we
       have done, and some are set a laws. There are animals protection
       charities. Dogs and cats are treated as they should. One of the
       other debating at now days is about animals testing. medical and
       psychological. I understand it is unfair for the animal to try
       everything for us, for we humans. But at the day when you or one
       of your love get sick and need that medical achievement. All
       these aninmals suffered and dead become meaningful, although
       they won't be remembered. Animal rights are important and need
       to be considered, human development is more important.
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       I totally agree with Chris's idea. I also don't agree with that
       animals should have rights. First, rights are match with duties.
       it is hard to find what duties animals have. if they do not have
       duties, they do not do anything. if they do not do the duty,
       because they do not know ho to do it, how can they have rights.
       if they have rights but no duty, it is easy to harm the
       environment. so they do not have the right. Second is that
       animals do not have self-conscious. they do not have
       self-conscious, they can not use the right, especially the
       positive rights. About negative rights. Usually it is the whole
       society which can communicate   with each other can have the
       negative right. However, most animals can not communicate with
       each other, or make tools, and also not all animals are
       gregarious animals. It is unfair for other animals not
       gregarious animals, while gregarious animals have negative
       rights, but they don not. Third, every animas  have different
       habitats. Some rights are suitable for some kinds of animals,
       but not suitable for other kinds of animals, but there are too
       many kinds of animas in the world. Human even can not know all
       of them. So it is unfair for animals to have not equal rights.
       Also, people need to monitor and take care of the consequence of
       animals did when they have rights. it is a strenuous work.
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   DIR By: bobbyfangxingjie
       Date: July 20, 2019, 8:20 pm
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       I want to reply to post # 29 suggested by BaI tianyu, which
       talks about if animals have rights. In the reply, he talks about
       two different famous philosophers’ idea about why animals do not
       have rights, and he also suggests his own questions about the
       idea they suggested. In the first argument, i agree with Bai
       tianyu. I believe that if we need to differentiate animals and
       humans by rationality or the ability to communicate, then it
       does not make sense for new born human babies or brain-damaged
       patients. They do not have the ability to think, but we still
       consider them as the same kind with us. The second argument
       suggested by Aristotle also has some problems. However, it seems
       make more sense to me, since i can still find an explanation of
       the argument.  According to Aristotle, he says that “Man’s
       tyranny over animals is natural because his superiority as an
       animal determines for him the dominant position in the natural
       scale of things.” Bai Tianyu says that this can not explain the
       existence of slavery, but I believe that the relationship
       between animals and humans are different from the relationship
       between humans and humans. As a specie, human are beyond any
       other animals, whereas there are still hierarchy within humans,
       just like within some other animals. For example, there might be
       some leader lion in a group of lions. Therefore, I believe more
       on Aristotle’s perspective.
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   DIR By: Zhou Chang
       Date: July 20, 2019, 11:30 pm
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       page 472, animals do not have rights.
       I think animals do have rights. By Huff’s argument, because
       animals do not have rationality and the ability to communicate,
       so they are different from human and  thus the use of laboratory
       animals raises no serious moral questions. It is morally
       important to respect life. Like our human, animals have life.
       Our moral standard is not allowed to treat life cruelly.
       Laboratory animals may be tortured and abused if people think
       animals have no rights. Even they are not as intelligent as
       human, they still can feel pain and the earth is their home as
       well. It is true that animals can’t share the same rights as
       human. However, any living, breathing creature has some form of
       basic rights. If so, human can not harm them as cruel as they
       want to because they have basic rights. However, the killing or
       harm of animals may be ethically acceptable only when there are
       no reasonable alternatives. For example, an animal is suffering
       a incurably ill or infected by flu. In conclusion, animals do
       have some basic rights.
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   DIR By: xzz0427
       Date: July 21, 2019, 11:01 am
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       I agree with Shuran's idea that animals should have equal rights
       with human beings. She says that human beings are also a kind of
       animal so that they should have empathy.
       When we judge problems, often based on our own own perspective,
       not from the full perspective of the problem, the Germans are
       really higher than the Jewish people? Are black people really
       inferior? The assumption that they were pre-implanted during the
       Nazi or invasion of China in history was that "Jews are not
       humans" and "Chinese not human". Only by letting them die can we
       make the society progress civilization and the human
       civilization to be sublimated. The soldiers who fought in the
       war thought they were exercising justice and were proud of what
       they had done (improving the overall quality of humanity), and
       they were transformed into "messengers of justice".
       Today we seem to have made similar mistakes in dealing with
       animals, with humans pre-empting "the value of animals only in
       the consumption we eat", but in reality "animals, especially
       vertebrates, have emotional and cognitive abilities, and each
       animal has the psychological activity of distinguishing other
       animals".
       Siyi Qiu
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   DIR By: Chris Wang yipeng
       Date: July 23, 2019, 8:37 pm
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       I would say Terrorism can be ethics in some specific situation,
       but most time people are unable to recognize wether what they
       know is right. Deontological ethics can condemn terrorism fairly
       easily, individuals have worth by virtue of their status as
       human beings. Consequentialist (Utilitarian) ethics Since
       consequences are they, terrorism is always justified if it
       increase happiness. How do you measure the happiness, whose
       benefits are more important in such circumstances. How do you
       now the truth is true. We have talk about the Indian scenario in
       class. I would say most people will be incite easily to become
       terrorism. They could become faithful as they fight for their
       own country, although you never know if you are really doing the
       right thing. What you are doing now is just taking down the
       current regime, nobody know what is going to be like after the
       war, if it will really make most people live better. When does
       terrorism become a war, and when does terrorism become
       legitimate. If Nazi’s had won the WWII and take control of the
       whole world now, I would say most of the people would never said
       the past was done immoral. It was a small sacrifice for the
       human better life. Only the Winner write the history. It like
       China’s two regime after the WWII, the community stand to the
       end which make our great China. But it was Chinese fight with
       Chinese. The civil war was also a example, even now the
       confederate flag is still outside the White House. What I mean
       is terrorism and war ’s starting point should be the same, only
       the one for the better result of all human beings would be
       endure longer.
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   DIR By: Baitianyu
       Date: July 24, 2019, 9:59 pm
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       --- Quote from: Chris Wang yipeng link ---
       >
       > “Neither one person, nor any number of persons, is warranted
       in saying to another human creature of ripe years, that shall
       not do with his life for his own benefit what be choose to do
       with it” - said Mill. I agree with Mill.  Isn’t paternalism just
       a way to force people. Given it a acceptable philosophy name?
       How do you determine wether it is beneficial to that individual
       ? Human are too persist in self benefit. Most people, to be
       precise. As it says on Google, examples of paternalism in
       everyday life are laws which require seat belts, wearing helmets
       while riding a motorcycle, and banning certain drugs. but what I
       think it is a way to restrict others, it should be belong to
       some other idea, but not as a individual idea of philosophy.
       letting other doing things is against individual's negative
       right. A negative paternalistic explanation of slavery is one
       that claims that slave holders held slaves because they believed
       it was in the slaves best interest or an explanation that claims
       that slaves viewed their masters in a manner similar to the way
       children see their guardians. which is against human right. How
       do you define if a person has the ability or not that they need
       others to take care of them, and to determine for them. Everyone
       is born free and equal. Society has made them different, and
       society has conduct paternalism for the moral and utilitarian
       purpose. I believe human don't even has the real right, right
       only exist when people are together, there should not be any
       positive right, only negative rights make sense under a society.
       Therefore I agree with Mill that Paternalism shall not hold.
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       --- End Quote ---
       Chris Wang yipeng make a common about Paternalism and I would
       like to make some commons about it. Chris strongly agree about
       the idea which Mill hold on about paternalism and he believe
       that paternalism is a way to force people, a restriction, and
       against people’s right. However, I don’t agree with him. The
       ideal he mentions is similar to Nietzsche’s will to power idea
       that people have other intension underneath their “moral
       actions.” He mentions that “Human are too persist in self
       benefit” and any act that government established seems to help
       people stand for a moral action is just use for restrict
       people’s free will. The reason I don’t agree with him is because
       his ideal basically deny people have moral intentions. Based on
       Kant’s duty theory, people will find our which actions are moral
       because they are rational beings and don’t what to break the
       reason. Thus, when people doing moral actions, people must have
       moral intension. But Chris states that we make our actions based
       on our own desire and use philosophy reason for excuse. His idea
       denies people have moral intension and even deny we have
       rational think. What are differences between human and animals
       if our actions is followed by our desire but not reason? If we
       don’t support Paternalism, isn’t we deny the existence of moral,
       thus any immoral actions we did is not wrong?
       Baitianyu Johnny.Bai
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   DIR By: Baitianyu
       Date: July 25, 2019, 12:11 am
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       --- Quote from: Zhou Chang link ---
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       > page 472, animals do not have rights.
       > I think animals do have rights. By Huff’s argument, because
       animals do not have rationality and the ability to communicate,
       so they are different from human and  thus the use of laboratory
       animals raises no serious moral questions. It is morally
       important to respect life. Like our human, animals have life.
       Our moral standard is not allowed to treat life cruelly.
       Laboratory animals may be tortured and abused if people think
       animals have no rights. Even they are not as intelligent as
       human, they still can feel pain and the earth is their home as
       well. It is true that animals can’t share the same rights as
       human. However, any living, breathing creature has some form of
       basic rights. If so, human can not harm them as cruel as they
       want to because they have basic rights. However, the killing or
       harm of animals may be ethically acceptable only when there are
       no reasonable alternatives. For example, an animal is suffering
       a incurably ill or infected by flu. In conclusion, animals do
       have some basic rights.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Zhou Chang disagree about Huff’s argument about animals’ right
       and he concludes that animals should have right. One opines
       Chang suggests is that animals have life and we respect life,
       thus animals have rights. However, does animals really can feel
       pain and have rations as human? Aren’t the painful actions of
       animals are caused by their nature body defense system. How can
       we say animals are reasons and have ability to thinking like
       human? I think it is because people consider animals have right
       is because human sympathy. I don’t think the moral system can be
       used in animals. The ethical system we developed is based on
       rational human being but not animals. Animals cannot think like
       human. Also, human and animals cannot communicate with each
       other. If we state that animals have right and use the human
       moral system to animals, should we treat animals as human
       beings? Another reason I think animals don’t have rights human
       actually have more power to control animals. Even, “any living,
       breathing creature has some form of basic rights,” human
       identity is much higher than animals. As the Bible mentions that
       “Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over
       every living creature that moves on the ground.” We are in
       higher position than animals and we should rule them rather than
       give them rights.
       Baitianyu Johnny.Bai
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   DIR By: Baitianyu
       Date: July 25, 2019, 12:50 am
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       Abortion
       Abortion is a moral problems people are hard to determine is it
       morally right or wrong. The chapter about abortion introduce two
       writer and explain their own argument about abortion.
       Devine suggests that abortion is wrong because the act of
       abortion will kill a incent person. The article states that “The
       infant is member of the human species. The infant will, in due
       course, think, talk, love and have sense of justice.” If we
       don’t take abortion, after nine months of pregnancy, a woman
       will reproduce a human being. The act of abortion will kill
       infant thus kill a human being.
       However, Warren who support we should have the right to
       abortion states that infant cannot be consider as a human being.
       She suggests that a human being should have at least one of five
       factors which are “Consciousness, and in particular the capacity
       to feel pain; reasoning; self-motivated activity; the capacity
       to communicate, by whatever means, messages of an indefinite
       variety of types, that is, not just with an indefinite number of
       possible contents, but on indefinitely many possible topics; the
       presence of self-concepts, and self-awareness, either individual
       or racial, or both.” Since infant don’t have any of those
       factors, infant should not be considered as human. Thus, people
       should have right to abortion without any concerns.
       I am more favor Warren’s idea that infant is cannot be consider
       as human because infant don’t have any “signals” of human being.
       Some people may argues that based on Warren’s definition of
       human, people who in coma, lose their consciousness also don’t
       fulfill any of five requisite and still be consider as human.
       Personally, I think people who lose their consciousness still be
       consider as human because they already proved they have ability
       to think, act, communicate before. Based on their history of
       life, we should still consider they are human, though they loss
       five prerequisite to be consider as human briefly. However,
       infant never proved they have any of five prerequisites, thus
       they cannot be consider as human.
       Baitianyu Johnny.Bai
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   DIR By: Xuehuan Zhu
       Date: July 25, 2019, 9:46 am
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       “ A man’s will is good, not because the consequence which flow
       from it are good, nor because it is capable of attaining the end
       which it seeks, but it is good in itself, or because it wills
       the good. By a good will is not meant mere well-wishing; it
       consists in a resolute employment of all the means within one’s
       research, and its intrinsic value is in no way increased by
       success or lessened by failure.” From the passage, we can know
       that Kant’s idea is that the thing it is good or not is
       dependent on the thing itself, not on the consequence, or the
       benefit on others, just because he didn’t do anything  wrong or
       the thing someone did is absolutely conditionally moral good. It
       is demonstrated by “ it wills the good.” We should do what we
       should do no matter what situation. This demonstrated “ By a
       good will is not meant mere well-wishing; it consists in a
       resolute employment of all the means within one’s research“. For
       example, In daily life, if one of the best friend gets sick, and
       the doctor said that the situation is not good. Then he asked
       you about the situation. You lied to him for not let him worried
       and let him get cure more quickly. However, from Kant’s idea it
       is not right, because you lied even if you wish someone get
       better, the initial point is good. You should not lie, instead
       you should telling the truth, because by Kant’s idea, you should
       do something absolutely moral right, no matter what condition.
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