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Art Plagiarism
By: ChipRawks Date: July 22, 2011, 10:15 am
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This is old news to most, but last night I was having a
conversation with a friend of mine (who is an artist himself)
and we ended up talking about plagiarism within the art
community and somehow the conversation ended back onto the topic
of Nick Simmons (yes, son to Gene) and the whole **** storm he
brought on himself. It's a pretty blatant ripoff from other
sources which leaves us scratching our heads "why even bother
when you know what the outcome is going to be?"
We talk about this stuff a lot because we both have been swiped
from a few times on Deviant Art. It's just a crazy little world
that breeds a lot of thievery. I've lost count how many times
stuff that I have colored gets saved and then reposted onto
another gallery site where they claim to be the colorist. Sigh.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: Keith Draws Date: July 31, 2011, 2:25 pm
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I have mixed feelings about this. Over the years I've had a lot
of artwork stolen and kind of got used to it. Nobody ever made a
lot of money from it though and I didn't hold the final artwork
so had no control anyway. These days thanks to digital I can
keep hold of the artwork and supply digital copies so I guess
its a bit easier to protect. These days I just figure if people
want to take it and claim it as their own there is not much I
can do about it. But they will be in trouble if they get a
commission from it since how can they do anything original in my
style? They will have to contact me to do it for them or loose
the commission. Maybe they take deposits and never deliver, but
in the end hopefully they will get tracked down.
If somebody takes a piece of mine and it makes them a lot of
fame and cash that's great, because I can sue them and get the
cash.
As for plagiarism it all depends on how its done and what the
intent is. What Nick Simmons did was all a bit of a mistake. I
get the impression he really liked bleach and let it influence
him too much. Now as A kid when i was learning I did the same
thing with my personal art. I copied a lot of stuff. I don't
know a lot about it butt seems like he did the same thing but
coz his Dad is rich he got his "practice" published. In reality
he just wasn't ready. I feel a little sorry for him for not
owning up before it was published and making changes. Ow he's
probably messed up his credibility for ever. At least with
fanatical manga fans who will never forget and remind everybody
when ever he does anything new.
I use reference a for most of my work though I do tend to use
photo reference but there is no harm in using reference from any
source as long as you are not exactly reproducing the original.
However where is the line drawn? With Nick Simmons some stuff is
clearly copied and other stuff no more than referenced :
HTML http://bleachness.livejournal.com/446299.html
For the most part I take plagiarism as a compliment that does no
real harm to me. Perhaps it even helps the plagiarizer's ego so
that's a good thing right? Since they are so mentally deranged
and I assume unskilled that the only way they can make them
selves feel good is by claiming they produced the work of some
other. If its done for profit we can expose and sue them.
That's all I can think of for now.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: ChipRawks Date: July 31, 2011, 2:33 pm
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Well, I don't have issues with someone copying a style because
such and such is your favorite artist. It's a given that when
you get into comic book artist and start drawing yourself
because of them, you will initially ape the style that you are a
fan of. But this is a whole other ball of wax and as you stated,
when the guy ripping is getting paid for it, they have to expect
and take all the negative comments coming their way.
I just think as for Nick, he is young and was just not thinking
along the lines of what he was really doing. Unfortunately, his
rep is forever tarnished. The only way out is for him to buckle
down, draw a series of books in his own style and imagination
and hope that what he produces catches on to where fans can
begin to start forgiving him.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: Chiprocks1 Date: December 19, 2011, 12:25 pm
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[center] New York Observer and Sharon Moody: Homage or Thief?
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Is Sharon Moody a Copyright/Trademark Infringer?
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Last week, a fellow artist that I follow on Devinat Art that
goes by the name of Joe Jusko, which I'm sure any fan of
Vampirella knows the name very well, was the victim of art
theft. Overall, the community was very supportive in siding with
him, etc...But there were a few individuals that felt that Joe
was overreacting and took him to task on even bringing up the
subject in the first place. This morning he posted these two
links to further educate why it's neccessary to always call out
anyone swiping art from another artist. Both links are pretty
good reads and eye opening.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: Chiprocks1 Date: August 16, 2012, 12:06 am
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[center]Roger Cruz Vs. Joe Madureira
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This was a pretty big deal back in the mid 90's as I was a HUGE
fan of Joe Mad. So when this new cat, Roger Cruz "burst" onto
the scene and started swiping panels and pages from Joe Mad,
there was a big uproar about it. Swiping isn't new. But never
has it been so blatant and bold and unapologetic. Check the link
for some eye popping swipes.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: boyinblack80 Date: August 16, 2012, 12:16 am
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yeah those are all the old pics from this blog back in the 90's
I guarantee there are way more if someone went back today and
poured over his work.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: Chiprocks1 Date: August 16, 2012, 12:19 am
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I actually remember there being waaaaaaaaaaaay more. There was
like a good 15-20 books that had multiple swipes per page. I
need to find his back issues so that I can check them out again.
I haven't seen the issues since they came out however long ago
it was.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: boyinblack80 Date: August 16, 2012, 12:32 pm
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yeah for sure that's what I am saying.
I didn't collect his work...so I don't have any...but if you
ever find them....give them a good flip.
I guarantee he had books out all the time while he was working.
didn't he used to grab a lot of Jim Lee poses too?
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: Chiprocks1 Date: August 16, 2012, 12:34 pm
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didn't he used to grab a lot of Jim Lee poses too?
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I remember a couple of Jim Lee swipes, but not nearly the amount
he was grabbing from Joe Mad. I'm sure there were more than just
the ones that I saw.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
By: boyinblack80 Date: August 16, 2012, 12:41 pm
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I didn't really follow Joe's work back then.
I did pick up deadpool, and then years later got his x-men work.
he couldn't have had too much to really steal from...his whole
x-men run was only like 10 issues.
but I guess that's enough if you are determined to get that look
:)
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