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#Post#: 90--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: TheBeardAmigos
Date: September 13, 2018, 12:19 am
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--- Quote from: Grenville link ---
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> Thanks to all who worked on ratings - this is a great start.
I've rolled them all together merged onto the first sheet.
Uploaded here:
>
HTML https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/rP8cnmYCBeWPf7C567ZLMwJez7IJhwJZelDxaTotapI
>
> I dont have accounts in the google stack, but if someone here
uses google docs and can get this hosted & shared that'd be very
helpful.
>
> In the meantime here's the current distribution Vs targets
from PC2011 (not saying that was "right" and we need to follow
it, just a guide for comparison). Theres a couple of
considerations here:
> - AFL standard players being rated accurately relative to each
other (so that stronger real life teams produce expected results
etc)
> - That whole set of AFL player ratings relative to the junior
players that get generated in game for dtaft, and state leagues
etc
>
> I can alter distribution of generated players once we get AFL
balance locked down. So, lets talk balance & i know Simon will
be all over this :)
> Rather than individual players just yet (subjective, and we're
all going to differ in opinions) I'd like to get consensus on
the distribution for the AFL population. That's key for contract
calculations etc
>
> My first impression is we're skewed light and want to bring
players up from the 70 and under brackets.
>
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I usually use a base of the lowest rated player being a 64 or
65. It does mean that a lot of players have the same or similar
rating and there are only 1 or 2 points separating some best 22
players, but with the way the game is, I find that it is most
realistic as coaches picked the best 22 for their
opposition/game style, not necessarily the best 22 players on
their list
This is also going off the way that we have done previous lists.
Here is the link to the spreadsheet that I have used and with
some updated ratings/order, which I feel are the most realistic
on current form (past 3 years)
HTML https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10aBNz4fR3laOlXdjeDK4f0IPAWZG-4PvMhWRE4Z6-yI/edit?ts=5611cbf3#gid=928426194
#Post#: 92--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: Grenville
Date: September 13, 2018, 8:21 am
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--- Quote from: TheBeardAmigos link ---
>
>
> I usually use a base of the lowest rated player being a 64 or
65. It does mean that a lot of players have the same or similar
rating and there are only 1 or 2 points separating some best 22
players, but with the way the game is, I find that it is most
realistic as coaches picked the best 22 for their
opposition/game style, not necessarily the best 22 players on
their list
>
> This is also going off the way that we have done previous
lists.
>
> Here is the link to the spreadsheet that I have used and with
some updated ratings/order, which I feel are the most realistic
on current form (past 3 years)
>
HTML https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10aBNz4fR3laOlXdjeDK4f0IPAWZG-4PvMhWRE4Z6-yI/edit?ts=5611cbf3#gid=928426194
>
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Good reference, and interesting read, thanks mate.
Team selection algorithm has been changed pretty significantly
when i implemented the new player model. I plan to change it up
further to consider opposition team strengths/weaknesses too, so
this will look different going froward.
All of the contest logic has changed (along with the whole match
sim/ player mode etc), so i expect this to behave differently
also.
Theres some downside to having them in too tight a range. Theres
modifiers (home ground, leadership, confidence etc etc) that add
or subtract a point or two here and there for contest scores.
When skill ranges are tight it magnifies the effect of these.
#Post#: 93--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: TheBeardAmigos
Date: September 13, 2018, 11:21 pm
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--- Quote from: Grenville link ---
>
> [quote author=TheBeardAmigos link=topic=2.msg90#msg90
date=1536815941]
>
> I usually use a base of the lowest rated player being a 64 or
65. It does mean that a lot of players have the same or similar
rating and there are only 1 or 2 points separating some best 22
players, but with the way the game is, I find that it is most
realistic as coaches picked the best 22 for their
opposition/game style, not necessarily the best 22 players on
their list
>
> This is also going off the way that we have done previous
lists.
>
> Here is the link to the spreadsheet that I have used and with
some updated ratings/order, which I feel are the most realistic
on current form (past 3 years)
>
HTML https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10aBNz4fR3laOlXdjeDK4f0IPAWZG-4PvMhWRE4Z6-yI/edit?ts=5611cbf3#gid=928426194
>
--- End Quote ---
Good reference, and interesting read, thanks mate.
Team selection algorithm has been changed pretty significantly
when i implemented the new player model. I plan to change it up
further to consider opposition team strengths/weaknesses too, so
this will look different going froward.
All of the contest logic has changed (along with the whole match
sim/ player mode etc), so i expect this to behave differently
also.
Theres some downside to having them in too tight a range. Theres
modifiers (home ground, leadership, confidence etc etc) that add
or subtract a point or two here and there for contest scores.
When skill ranges are tight it magnifies the effect of these.
[/quote]
What if we have a base of 60? That way it gives us a little bit
more room to move with some players etc.
#Post#: 104--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: TheBeardAmigos
Date: September 17, 2018, 5:18 pm
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Just going through the ratings in more detail and going to put
forward the changes I would make.
Gonna start with Adelaide and Brisbane
Adelaide
- Knight 70-73 OM
- Jenkins 75-77
- Gallucci 68-71
- Walker 82-86
- Brown 73-76
- Betts 85-89
- Otten 70-73 TD
- Cheney 68-72
- Fogarty 66-69
- McGovern 79-83
- Murphy 67-70
- Davis 59-62
Brisbane
- Hodge 79-82 SD/IM
- Robinson 77-79
- Walker 72-75
- Rayner 71-74
- Allison 66-69
- Cox 66-69
- Skinner 67-70
- Witherden SBA
- Hipwood 76-79
- Wooller 62-65
- Mathieson 72-75
- Payne 64-68
- Hinge 61-64 SBD
- Frost 62-65
- Smith 65-68
#Post#: 105--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: TheBeardAmigos
Date: September 17, 2018, 6:33 pm
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Carlton
- Silvagni 70-74 TF/SF
- Dow 67-71
- Murphy 81-85
- Kennedy 71-75
- Kreuzer 81-84
- De Koning TF/Ruck
- Lamb 68-71 SF
- Jones 73-76
- Rowe 75-76
- Schumacher 61-65
- Plowman 70-73 TD
- Garlett 64-68
- Weitering 72-75
- Fisher 69-72
- Lobbe 72-75
- Polson 59-63
- Williamson 61-64 SBD
- Graham 64-68
- Phillips 72-75
- E Curnow 80-83
- Kerr TF
- Byrne 66-69 SBA
- McDaid 58-60
- Wright 75-77 SF
Collingwood
- de Goey 84-86
- Treloar 86-88
- Langdon 75-77
- Murray 69-72
- Blair 65-69
- Scharenberg 74-77
- Adams 83-86
- Aish SBA/SBD
- Dunn 76-77
- Mayne 71-74
- Varcoe 72-76 SF/OM
- Greenwood 69-72 SBD/TAG
- Sidebottom 85-87
- Murphy 63-66 SBA/SF
- Broomhead 65-69
- Moore 70-73 TD/TF
- Appleby 64-68 SBD
- Hoskin-Elliott 74-76
- Maynard 72-75 SBD
- Howe 79-82
- Crocker 66-68 SF
- Smith 61-65
- Oxley 61-65 SBD
- Madgen 63-66 TD
- Lynch 61-63
#Post#: 106--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: TheBeardAmigos
Date: September 17, 2018, 7:10 pm
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Essendon
- McGrath 73-75
- Langford 70-74
- Smith 84-86
- Daniher 80-83
- Merrett 88-90
- Gleeson 66-69 SBD
- Francis 75-77 TD
- Zaharakis 79-81
- Baguley 69-71 SF/SBD
- Fantasia 78-81 SF
- Ridley 64-68 TD
- Begley 63-66 SF
- Stewart 71-74
- Hurley 88-91 TD
- Houlahan 60-62 SF
- Stringer 76-79 TF/IM
- Hooker 84-87 TD
- Redman SBD
- Brown 70-73 TF
- Zerk-Thatcher 63-65
- Colyer 73-77 OM
- Laverde 68-72
- Guelfi 69-72
- Hartley 68-71
- Clarke 65-67 IM
- Draper 61-63
- Lavender 60-62
- McNiece 62-66 SBD
- Saad SBA
- Tipungwuiti 79-82
- McKenna 74-77 SBA
- Dea SBD
Fremantle
- Ballantyne 73-76
- Matera 67-71 SF
- Darcy 74-77
- Cerra 70-72 OM
- Brayshaw 72-75
- Walters 82-85 IM/SF
- Sheridan 68-71
- Bennell 76-78
- Wilson 79-81 SBA
- Hughes 63-66
- Tucker 67-70 OM
- Taberner 74-76
- Hamling 76-78
- Kersten 67-70
- McCarthy 66-70 TF
- Grey 65-68
- Meek 62-65
- Sandilands 80-84
- S.Hill 80-82
- Sutcliffe 66-69
- Apeness 65-67
- Ryan 80-83 SBD/SBA
- Switkowski 62-65 SF
- Jones 65-67 Ruck
- Banfield TAG
- Giro 68-70
- Nyhuis SBD
- Duman 64-67 SBD/TD
#Post#: 107--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: SJL93
Date: September 18, 2018, 12:38 am
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I like a lot of of your opinion BeardAmigos. A few I think you
may have underrated & a few overrated.
Underrated:
Jack Frost 70-72.
Darcy Fogarty 72-74.
Paddy Dow 70-73.
Zach Fisher 75-78.
Cam Polson 68-70.
Sam Murray 68-71.
Jarryd Blair 72-74.
Andy McGrath 75-78.
Micheal Hartley 72-74.
Cameron McCarthy 72-74.
Overrated:
Luke Ryan 76-78.
Zach Merrett 84-86.
Luke Hodge 76-78. Leadership at about 90+.
I'll take another look through the lists again. Come up with my
own opinion.
#Post#: 109--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: Grenville
Date: September 18, 2018, 9:28 am
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--- Quote from: Schods link ---
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> I have done all but the AllPlayers tab but have to go to work
now.
>
> Link is:
>
HTML https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y2UKaC8KtX5Oi3Oo-7HWf4eibgjn9PjGdG_DyQEIfeQ/edit?usp=sharing
>
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Thanks fellas - just checked out the the google doc and looking
pretty good here now in my opinion for distribution. I'm going
to give it a little while to let discussions on individual
player/balance etc play out (leaving that to you guys), then
start looking at contract logic based on this list.
#Post#: 114--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: TheBeardAmigos
Date: September 18, 2018, 5:14 pm
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--- Quote from: SJL93 link ---
>
> I like a lot of of your opinion BeardAmigos. A few I think you
may have underrated & a few overrated.
>
> Underrated:
> Jack Frost 70-72.
> Darcy Fogarty 72-74.
> Paddy Dow 70-73.
> Zach Fisher 75-78.
> Cam Polson 68-70.
> Sam Murray 68-71.
> Jarryd Blair 72-74.
> Andy McGrath 75-78.
> Micheal Hartley 72-74.
> Cameron McCarthy 72-74.
>
> Overrated:
> Luke Ryan 76-78.
> Zach Merrett 84-86.
> Luke Hodge 76-78. Leadership at about 90+.
>
> I'll take another look through the lists again. Come up with
my own opinion.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for the input, this is what I was hoping to get started.
It would all depend on the distribution numbers etc, so for a
few I probably have underrated just to get that distribution
even. I think once we fix the 'major' or obvious discrepancies,
we can start to nit pick to get distribution even.
#Post#: 115--------------------------------------------------
Re: PC2019 player ratings
DIR By: TheBeardAmigos
Date: September 18, 2018, 5:55 pm
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Geelong
- Buzza 67-70
- Miers 68-70
- Simpson 66-69
Gold Coast
- Hanley 78-80
- Scrimshaw 65-69 SBD/SBA
- Martin 75-79 SF
- Sexton 74-77
- Lonergan 72-75 IM
- Ainsworth 74-77 SF/IM
- Fiorini 74-77
- Kolodjashnij 76-79 SBA
- Miller 79-82
- Day 76-79
- Ah Chee 75-78
- Young 77-80 SF
- Scheer 69-72
- Lynch 84-87
- Lemmens 70-73 SF/SBD
- Swallow 82-84
- Lyons 80-82
- Powell 65-68
- Witts 83-85
- Bowes 73-77 SBA/OM
- Wright 76-79
- Ballard 66-69
- Crossley 65-68 Ruck/TF
- Hall 79-81
- Schoenfeld 66-69 OM
- Joyce 72-75 SBD
- Holman 73-76 IM/TAG
- Heron 62-65
- Brodie 70-73
- Nutting 61-64 SBD
- MacPherson 71-74 SF/IM
GWS
- Greene 84-87
- Shiel 81-84
- Deledio 79-82
- Scully 84-87 OM
- Bonar 66-69
- Setterfield 65-68
- Patton 77-79 TF
- Cumming 66-69 SBD
- Taranto 76-79
- Daniels 62-66 SF
- Langdon 73-77 SF
- Cameron 84-87
- Haynes 79-82 TD
- Tomlinson 77-79 OM/TD/Ruck
- Buntine 73-75 SBD
- Shaw 77-79 SBA/SBD
- Keeffe 66-69 TD/Ruck
- Simpson 76-78
- Himmelberg 76-79 TF/TD
- Williams 81-84 SBA/SBD
- Finlayson 70-73 SBD/TD
- Tiziani 65-68
- Shipley 62-66
- Perryman 68-71 SBD
- Lobb 77-79 TF/Ruck
- Lloyd 67-70 IM/SF
- Mohr 65-67
- D Buckley 64-68 SF
- Reid 68-71
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