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Brexit: out means out!
By: hellboy Date: June 27, 2016, 11:28 am
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Brexit: out means out!
The people of Britain have been massively lied at by the
proponents of the leave-campaign. They have been told that
everything would get better, that everything that goes wrong in
Britain now is the EU's fault, and that britains would end off
wealthier and with more influence in the world than within the
EU. All of that isn't true, but most decisions to vote leave
were based on that.
And people are still lied at.
They are told that in the Brexit-negotiations with the EU every
effort will be made, that they have the best possible access to
the single-market. But the best and only access to the
single-market is to be part of it, out means out!
They are told that the British government will assure that
specially the young Brits will have access to educational
programmes of the EU, but those were designed exclusively for
EU-citizens, out means out!
They are even told efforts would be made to keep up EU-payments
for British agriculture and industries, which is totally absurd.
After a brexit Britain will not make payments to the EU anymore,
so it will of course receive no payments whatsoever, out means
out!
The list could be continued much further, so generally people
are not told the truth about who decides about the future
relationship between Britain and the EU. British politicians
still pretend this would be Britain picking raisins, arranging
everything to it's own comfort. Britain tried to do that within
the EU for a long time, trying to get exceptional regulations on
just about everything, blocking many reforms all other countries
were supportive of. As an EU-member state Britain had the
opportunity to do so in many cases, to the disgrace of the vast
majority of the other European countries. These countries have
no motivation at all to make any exceptional concessions to
Britain any more, and they will not do so. Telling people that
Britain will be given the chance to dictate their terms from the
outside of the Union, is highly dishonest, because out means
out.
A second referendum
As the people of Britain have not been correctly informed about
the real consequences of a Brexit, it is totally clear that they
must be asked again after the negotiations with the EU. People
have been promised a bright future outside the EU, even if there
were no real arguments for that. Many promises turned out to be
straight out lies.
Also the Scottish will not leave Europe together with the
English and Welsh, and most probably the Irish will never accept
a border on their island again. Scotland voted against
independence, because they were promised Britain would remain in
the EU. That promise has been broken, and therefore that will
have to be part of a new referendum. Nobody can tell to date how
any of the agreements between the EU and probably England and
Wales will look like. When people can make the decision between
staying in the EU or having Britain split up and separated, it
would be a completely different question. And this time people
would know exactly what options they can choose from, and what
the consequences of either choice would be.
So as soon as it will come clear what the real consequences of a
Brexit will be, when people can in fact see what it will really
mean for them, it will be absolutely appropriate to ask again,
if they really want that.
ahoy
hellboy
#Post#: 3938--------------------------------------------------
Brexit: the 51st state
By: hellboy Date: June 27, 2016, 4:37 pm
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The EU will not sign TTIP, but England will most likely be
forced to - and end up as the 51st state of the US, ruled by a
guy named after and acting like that famous cartoon-duck. Good
luck with that!
ahoy
hellboy
#Post#: 3939--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit: out means out!
By: GOLEMXIV Date: June 30, 2016, 5:39 pm
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My stanniollo friends are quite agitated about that brexit meme.
- Webster Tarpley: Has sold out to The Man, because until now he
was all "EU = NATO", "NATO = Imperialism" and "Only strong
nation-states can save us". For some reason Tarpley is now
shouting "BREXIT = TEH SUCK" and "UK VOTERS=STUPID SHEEPLE"
- Willy Wimmer to Ken Jebsen: "BREXIT = WORLD WAR III"
- Paul Craig Roberts: "BREXIT prevented WORLD WAR III"
- Alex Jones: "Illuminatey parasites are in panic mode -- serves
them right, heh"
- Steve Corbett: "Let them corks pop! Break out the champagne!
Sheeple has stuck it to The Man! Heh!"
- Peter Schiff: "World financial collapse imminent"
- David Icke: "Hooray! BREXIT! Terminal blow to N.W.O.!"
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Re: Brexit: out means out!
By: hellboy Date: November 30, 2016, 8:04 am
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[quote]Boris Johnson ridiculed by European ministers after
prosecco claim
Boris Johnson’s approach to Brexit has been ridiculed by
European ministers after he told Italy it would have to offer
tariff-free trade in order to sell its prosecco in the UK.
Carlo Calenda, an Italian economics minister, said it was
insulting that Johnson had told him during a recent meeting that
Italy would grant Britain access to the EU’s single market
“because you don’t want to lose prosecco exports”.
“He basically said: ‘I don’t want free movement of people but I
want the single market,’” he told Bloomberg. “I said: ‘No way.’
He said: ‘You’ll sell less prosecco.’ I said: ‘OK, you’ll sell
less fish and chips, but I’ll sell less prosecco to one country
and you’ll sell less to 27 countries.’ Putting things on this
level is a bit insulting.”
...[/quote]
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/16/european-ministers-boris-johnson-prosecco-claim-brexit
Insulting, indeed. Britain is now represented by a clown. That's
nothing new or surprising, but Boris Johnson is a completely new
level of pathetic.
ahoy
hellboy
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Re: Brexit: out means out!
By: hellboy Date: February 21, 2017, 1:13 pm
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[quote]Tony Blair calls on remainers to 'rise up in defence of
our beliefs'
Former PM says that the British people were misinformed by
Brexit campaign and would be correct to change their minds
...
“The people voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit.
As these terms become clear, it is their right to change their
mind,” he is expected to say. “Our mission is to persuade them
to do so.”
...
“Our challenge is to expose relentlessly the actual cost, to
show how this decision was based on imperfect knowledge which
will now become informed knowledge, to calculate in ‘easy to
understand’ ways how proceeding will cause real damage to the
country and its citizens, and to build support for finding a way
out from the present rush over the cliff’s edge,” the former
Labour leader said. “I don’t know if we can succeed. But I do
know we will suffer a rancorous verdict from future generations
if we do not try. This is not the time for retreat, indifference
or despair, but the time to rise up in defence of what we
believe.”
Blair will say that the British people voted to leave Europe and
the will of the people should prevail, but that public opinion
might not always be pro-Brexit as the terms of leaving became
clear.
He will also suggest May and her pro-Brexit colleagues have been
abusing the “mantle of patriotism” to make their case for
proceeding with an exit from the EU.
“We do not argue for Britain in Europe because we are citizens
of nowhere,” he will say. “We argue for it precisely because we
are proud citizens of our country who believe that in the 21st
century we should maintain our partnership with the biggest
political union and largest commercial market right on our
doorstep; not in diminution of our national interest, but in
satisfaction of it.”
...[/quote]
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/tony-blair-remainers-rise-up-brexit
I didn't see that coming: I fully agree with Tony Blair.
ahoy
hellboy
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