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       Re: VIP Rank
       By: nak1411 Date: December 16, 2011, 9:23 pm
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       Exactly.
       #Post#: 145--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: Masinini Date: December 17, 2011, 2:08 am
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       Oh, so I get it now. I shouldn't donate because i'll be better
       than other users and it would be unfair. Thanks. makes me feel
       real good about my charity.
       Look, i'm not easy to piss-off, but you guys sure as hell did
       it. You are arguing over donations?!?! Really? You, the people
       who I admire and respect?
       I wanted to donate because I felt like I owed it to Nak for
       being such a great and supportive Admin. But now the names been
       tarnished by this argument.
       Work something out. Maybe limit how long these permissions are
       given.
       But don't say donators will donate for the incentives. It's
       callous, rude, and ignorant to a fault.
       #Post#: 152--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: Nick Date: December 17, 2011, 3:16 am
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       Masi... The incentives aren't made before-hand.
       Again, you're looking at it in Charles' point of view.
       Some people do things for the wrong reasons.
       Who's to say we expect the worst?
       #Post#: 153--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: tntwizzy Date: December 17, 2011, 3:19 am
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       Ok guys heres the thing, the VIP rank only gets permissions that
       can make the game a bit more fun for the people that donate such
       as mobdisguise permissions and ect, it doesnt give the people
       any advantage over others. Also, the whole reason for the rank
       is to try and get some money back into Naks pockets from what he
       has to fork out for hosting and domains and ect. im sure we
       would all be more than happy to ditch the VIP rank if one of you
       people who disagree with the idea would like to pay the expenses
       of running the server, but until that happens, just stfu, kgo?
       #Post#: 154--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: Masinini Date: December 17, 2011, 3:28 am
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       Nxck, you miss my point. You guys are ruining the name of
       donating by arguing over it and saying the stuff you have. I
       agree with Tntwizzy. Either come to an agreement or do away with
       it.
       #Post#: 156--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: tntwizzy Date: December 17, 2011, 3:37 am
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       so.. you agree with me but.. not with nick, INcEPtiON!!0.o im
       saying the exact same thing as nick bro l2r
       #Post#: 157--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: Nick Date: December 17, 2011, 3:40 am
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       I honestly don't see how we're in the wrong here.
       Please explain further... I must not be getting it.
       #Post#: 160--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: Masinini Date: December 17, 2011, 3:46 am
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       It's not that you are. It's that you were. By arguing over
       donations, you guys aren't going to do anything besides tarnish
       the name/point. I'm saying I agree with your opinions, but don't
       just outright say people will only donate for incentives or
       anything of that nature. it's callous and will be taken wrong by
       other people.
       #Post#: 164--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: Nick Date: December 17, 2011, 4:00 am
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       "The only way it's seen as the rank being bought is if the
       person donating only does it for the rank."
       Is this the quote that upset you?
       I see nothing else that comes close to this argument.
       The player makes the choice to do it for the wrong reasons, not
       us.
       It's not assuming they'd make the wrong choice, it'd based on
       observation.
       As I said, MC is only a competitive game if you make it.
       Those who make it competitive are the one's who seek
       self-recognition therefore getting it at all costs.
       If this wasn't true, real world trading in major games such as
       RuneScape and WoW wouldn't be a big market.
       #Post#: 188--------------------------------------------------
       Re: VIP Rank
       By: ariwcharles Date: December 17, 2011, 7:28 pm
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       Like I  (and Pre) said, as long as VIP's don't get more than
       petty stuff like MobDisguise, then I'm fine. If they start
       getting permissions for water, fire, lava, WorldEdit, etc., then
       I'm going to pack up my stuff and leave.
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