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#Post#: 134--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 13, 2023, 11:47 am
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Whad did they mean by the Progressive Armour talk?
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> Progressive Armor on bases slightly decreases the damage
inflicted by enemies as the number of attacking units in a group
increases. Progressive Armor is installed automatically on all
bases.
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I understand that it tries to say that flaks have sometimes more
total health and sometimes less. Sounds like they meant that if
you have 2 sets of Bredas, 20 bredas in both set, then such 40
tanks in total in 2 sets can together damage 1 flaks let's say
in amount of 25%, so if the golden flak was 100% healthy then
2x20 Bredas lower the flak health to 75%. But if you use 1x40
Bredas in 1 set then perhaps the flak health falls to slightly
lower amount, perhaps to 72%. I understood that way.
Who knows if it is a true valid info today anymore.
But anyway most of the time you use full sets of Bredas and
don't split the set.
Or how did you others understand that idea above?
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Re: chat
DIR By: bobby66
Date: May 13, 2023, 12:08 pm
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We should one day talk clear what is the difference between a
base with 3 flaks and with 1 flak. The math generally is that
the base with 3 flaks is not 3 times stronger than the base with
1 flaks. It is around 6 times stronger. So, we can talk about
that math one day and that makes people more knowledgeable about
such math in life.
The math is shortly so that while 1 flak gets destroyed the
remaining 2 flaks were healthy and made damage to enemies what 2
flaks can do while the 1 third flak made dame and died.
So, after 1 flak dies, the base have made to attackers 3 units
of damage. That is really 3 times more than a base with 1 flak.
But after 1st flak death there are still 2 flaks left that
produce 2 units of damage during the 2nd flak dies. That is 3+2
units of damage outputted. Plus finally the 3rd flak cannon
outputs 1 flak unit of damage. So the result is that 3 flaks
base outputted 6 times more damage than a base with 1 flak.
Roughly so. Just think about it, in life such thing happens
often.
Also imagine that if a golden base has 24 flaks and adds 1 more
flak then that makes it much stronger and would perhaps require
enemies to attack much longer. Because the 25th flak cannon can
output lot of damage alone during 15 minutes.
Human mind wants to simplify and suggest that a group of 3 is
exactly 3 times stronger than a group of 1 or 2. But in math it
is not, in life not either, in life a gang of 3 can even produce
more than 6 units if we talk about business profits.
In this game be aware that if a base with 2 flaks requires 20
Lancias then a base with 3 flaks requires more than 30 Lancias,
it will require 45 Lancias perhaps.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 13, 2023, 12:41 pm
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We should verify about that FP6 2x weapons range. If you look
into our Wikipedia then it does not mention 2x range for that
anti air tank.and i don't remember that it had long range. Can
anybody confirm about it?
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> FP6 Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind have 2x range if Air Units move
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Also note that the paper says at the end that units with Special
Abilities have 5 times bigger/lower impact. I think that idea
there means that flak-destroyers against flaks do as the info
says about their damage. But against non-flaks their damage is 5
times lower. Something like that. And almist all tanks have the
so called Special Ability, or Role text in their profile. So,
the result is that 1 M4 tank can kill 8 Lancias because Lancias,
but does almost no damage to flaks, and 1 Lancia damages a flak
more than 8 M4's. Roughly so. But i am not sure about the
multiplier 5, and not sure what are the real actual damage
points that occure in the fight and what vehicles actually have
despite an informative text.
I think practice gives a sense. Just try to kill 8 Lancias with
1 M4 and then attack with 8 M4s a flak. That gives the feeling
about 2 vehicle roles/specialisation.
Also note that sometimes it is wise to send M4 tanks as an
armired cannon meat to attack flaks while air planes can bomb
the flaks. Note that a special flak destroyer has weapons range
of 12 and despite of weak guns against tanks it can safely in a
longer time destroy a set of tanks.
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Re: chat
DIR By: bobby66
Date: May 13, 2023, 1:11 pm
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We can do a random chit-chat about Fastmotions Center-Southern
weakly armored 3rd base on the end of map day 5.
Is there any point to bring any defensive tanks in front of it?
In my opinion: No.
We know that it is surrounded by many enemies and the flak range
is short so the enemies can kill all tanks in front of it by
helicopters etc. But for enemies that base killing is an
expense. In long term in a far future obviously it would benefit
if a clan gets such or other bases, it brings sliwly closer to
owning the map. But if the clan does not like such slow tactics
or even like to jump to new maps after every 2 weeks then such
irrelevant base gain does not give much. Plus it certainly
requires to produce units and waste them. Probaby even air
planes would be required but they waste those airplanes every
day on other enemy bases. So, it is questionable if they want to
attack such base.
The Center Cluster has still around 10 gold bases in total, is
it worth to kill 1 of them and waste units?
I don't think so.
But also that base does not produce much benefit for the owner.
So such irrelevant bases just stay and wait.
Or what do you think?
Also note that it has 16 flaks on the first row plus 1 on the
second. It surely requires minutes to waste tanks to kill it.
Maybe 8 minutes. For the base owner that base is irrelevant, for
attackers it is 8 minutes of taking damage.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/KSwvWBd.jpg
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Re: chat
DIR By: tony77
Date: May 13, 2023, 4:35 pm
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13/05/2023, 21:59,
A new map map 2058.
HTML https://imgur.com/fzw7ifm
Note that railways are on the left and rivers o nthe right.
Note that when the screenshot was made (ca 10pm) there are
around 20 home bases aka players.
Note that train bases have a line/strinke in their circle. Note
that there are around 4 such and al ltaken imemdiatly in first
minutes.
We give further comemnt about that picture next. We learn by
watching new maps.
note and remember the pattern/look how rivers/trains look on
this map and later compare with other new maps. After that try
to remember where train/ship bases appear.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 13, 2023, 4:48 pm
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Today is around 5th (?) day of the map 2057 and a new map 2058
was opened today.
The map 2057 is dense from bases and our clan test the so called
Center Village tactics on it which means that we have 4 accounts
in the middle of the map with around 10 bases there.
This post talk about how we lost a ship+tanks base from player
Tony77.
1. At around 13/05/2023 21:25 enemies started to attack our
village base. We happened to see it at 21:28:
HTML https://imgur.com/ghsfSLM
As you see fro mthe picture the base had 1 line of flaks plus
also around 4 flaks on the 2nd row. Note that the attack started
around 21:25, also note that the gold base had quite many flaks,
also note that the base was near river but not near the
railways. Also notice that the minimap shows the Vilage Center
area. also note that the attacking clan name is DeadHeads which
usually leaves map very quickle after 2 weeks or so and has
around 20 ultra gold players compared to our clans 2 gold
players.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 13, 2023, 4:55 pm
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2. Co-leader Noel (a double account to Leon if you reverse-read)
tested around 10 Flower ships again to get more knowledge about
ships:
HTML https://imgur.com/DHq9JqU
Those ships didn't do any damage but temporarily accidentally
they were a good cannon meat because flaks chose to penetrate
them for some period of time.
3. The intelligence/algorithm of flaks is under investigation,
sometimes they chose to target behind the flaks some Bredas as
you see i nthe picture:
HTML https://imgur.com/4eVWg95
Many times flak chose air planes and they have to pull back,
that ware furtunate moments for us, expensive to their planes,
so the plaines had to pul back. Also alley Bobby pulled back the
planes from the base by inviting them to atatck Bobby's M4
tanks. The planes did and wasted time and then realized it ws a
msitake and left the M4s alone and returned to the base
attaking. So, Bobby overplayed their leader, made him lose more
resourses and time and priorities.
4. At 21:35 they had lost so many tanks, not only from the clan
leader wildmanks, but from other 5 coleaders as well. Air planes
took huge damage.
HTML https://imgur.com/C0Z8nIh
Remember that they started to attack or take damage at 21:25 an
we talk here about time 21:35, and you see o nthe image left
full 1 row of flaks, or more.
Can you imagine how many hundreds of Bredas had died by that
time momment/screenshot?
Or, can you imagine how many euros they lost on heavy airplanes
by that moment and still had to deal with 1 row of 16 flaks?
This was already many euros lost, many time lost producing
hundred/thousands tanks.
This is the price you pay by attacking from 21:25 to 21:35 or 10
minutes plus time needed to destroy the 1st line or flaks or 16
flaks.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 13, 2023, 5:15 pm
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5. I don't know how to use submarines yet, we have to
investigate that together. but i sent 1 Sub near enemy Flower
ships.
HTML https://imgur.com/tfJs2SU
The sub died and i don't know how to use subs, we should
investigate.
6. At 21:45 they had lost hundreds of cannon meat tanks. They
used even Kats as cannon meat. They brought more air planes and
more cannon meat. As you see in the picture we had lost some
flaks and it was 8 minutes to get the next new flak.
HTML https://imgur.com/U2IZgWa
Notice that the battle started around 21:25 and this image was
taken at 21:45 which means 20 minutes of massacre. So ,remember
that 20 minutes was needed to get to such picture and the base
is still alive o nthe picture. Remember that this base had
around 1 row plus few more flaks.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 13, 2023, 5:24 pm
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6. At 21:48 they brought ships closer and accidentally
occacionally it was a good cannon meat. On the picture you see
that most cannon meat Bredas are dead already, but they did
bring later more.
Can you imagine how many thousands of Bredas they lsot during
that attack time?
can you imagine how many euros it costed to produce those
airplanes and Bredas?
HTML https://imgur.com/X408wQa
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 13, 2023, 5:29 pm
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7. At 21:52 lot of air plane damage taken.
HTML https://imgur.com/xvGiTh3
Notice that the battle started at 21:25 and the moment of 21:52
the picture shows still many flaks.
6. At 21:53 we got our new additional flak created. The number 7
on the picture shows it will be created in 7 seconds. Can you
calculate how many flaks we had o nthis picture by that time? 8
?
HTML https://imgur.com/fr2CPuV
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