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#Post#: 85--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 6:49 am
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Our clan has 2 gold players right now who spend only ca 50 gold
on new base flaks. That will make anyway ca 300 gold expense on
1 map, but if we had a player doing above 6 air planes as well
then that would make 1 map expenses around 1000 gold for such
player.
Anyway, we did a fine defending in the Village, i sent many
tanks to help while their airplane players bombed our gold base.
So, no need to take seriously, we did fine, and probably even
better if you look our expenses and theirs.
Also the Village architecture enabled easily to send help. So,
we are also wiser than the enemies, not only more economical.
So, let's continue and write all the wisdom into the forum too.
We can start to write the steps for the next map tactics. We can
try to take a corner of the map this time. What do you think?
I can provide 1 airplane capable account and 2 village accounts.
#Post#: 86--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 7:27 am
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An initial draft of the plan for the next map:
1. We avoid the center of the map and if needed wait when a
cluster of Newbie bases appear more cliser to edges. Then we
make there a Village.
2. Gold members make the Village perimeter, shape. And non gold
members should be able to access it because it is closer to the
map 1 edge. Gold village players make 3 village bases and keep
possibility to take 1 more tactical base.
3. Ultra gold player takes an airplane base and others help him
in that milestone. Hopefullt the airplane base will be close to
the Village.
Those steps above are mainly to folliw by gold players and 1
ultra gold player. The non gold players stay around the Village
and later can make a base in the center of the Village
surrounded by gold alley players. Such Village has the
capability to kill enemy gold bases around it. Non gold players
make bredas and ultra gold player 6 air planes and gold players
some other tanks and they attack gold bases.
This is roughly the idea to test.
For non gold players we send defensive tanks near it only if it
is close enough to the Village. Otherwise it is expensive to
keep them alive and better use the tanks for growing the
Village.
If we become fine with such tactics then we can try 2 ultra gold
accounts on after next map. I provide those accounts plus we
hopefully get new gold players.
In my opinion the iverall main goal is not to win a map, but to
do teamwork, and, support non gold players, and to win little
bit. We can't support non gold players as a priority 1 because
it is very expensive to send in front of them for 7k steel tanks
and lose those tanks in an hour. But if such non gold base is
surrounded by gold players then wedo that.
I think the main priority is to write this sentence here now.
The 2nd is to do some teamwork, third, to support non gold
members, 4th to get more gold players in, 5th to be successful
in killing few enemy gold bases with an ultra gold player's air
base account, 6th to create a 2nd clan and take over a map. I
talk about the 2nd clan idea in the future.
#Post#: 87--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 7:54 am
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There are many roles/jobs in our 2 clans.
It takes time to write about everything in here but eventually
we will.
One job is to get into a clan where leaders are inactive and the
system appoints you as the leader. I am an example who completed
such job/role and own now a clan. Anybody who feels he likes
such role then go ahead and start.
2 clans are needed to take over a map. It is easier with 2 clans
than with 1. Plus, there are other benefits, shortly we would
have 2 times more people and that enables many things. We will
describe in the future all that.
Beside getting the 2nd clan we need Wiki writers. The community
needs to clearly read without logging into the game how many
gold 1 needs to make 6 airplanes and is it possible at all to
kill a gold base without trains/planes. Today the community does
not have such info anywhere and the ingame info misleads often.
We have started as a pioneer with forum/wiki and need help on
that. Go ahead and help.
We need spies in enemy clans who post screenshots of maps and
bases to the forum's private area. Go ahead and start spying, in
our clan we had already spies too, it is common.
Helicopter scouts with 1 XR invisible helicopter role is only
for gold members who can secure flaks or to nongold players if
they build the base surrounded by gold alleys. Otherwise
scouting lasts 3 hours and the heli base is lost but we need a
scout for 2 weeks, not for 3 hours. A non gold players can do it
if they wait near alkeys with their Conquest Truck few days.
Such scouting shows tactical info and kills enemy home base
troops in random map locations.
A recruiter role hires new players, mostly scouts do that role.
Non gold players can produce with home bases 50 Lancias or Polus
and send near gold alkey bases. When the team us ready they all
together go to attack an enemy. You can call such Lancias making
role as a cannon meat producers. Most players do that role. No
need to send your home base cannon meat to die immediately, just
send near your alley. No need to temporarily capture a base
which is far from alkeys and dies after 2 hours. Just do the
cannon meat role, produce Lancias and send to alkey bases.
This is the main job a non gold player can do and it helps a
lot. A gold player can priduce 3 sets of expensive Gpf long
range base atrack vehicles and a non gold player can afford to
make 50 Lancias, and other gold players make 6 air planes plus
300 Bredas and 20 Skinks. Without those Lancias such team would
not work. If you really need to feel immediately how to attack
alone a base then do it few times but next read here the
suggestion to produce 50 Lancias and only capture safe bases
surrounded by alleys.
Some non gold players can make 50 Willues and just keep them
close to Bredas when the team attacks to be secure from enemy
helicopters. The main goal is to produce something and put it
ready for next teamwork.
One role is to educate beginners, and get yourself smarter. For
example, explain in the forum how to get gold, answer how to get
trains and is it possible at all, etc. It is a tutor role, most
do it.
Participate in creating new plans and ideas. For example, say
that let's try to make for fun all together 1000 Polus and 6
airplanes and nothing else and make a video of using those 1006
to kill an enemy. Make such idea and talk about other creative
ideas.
Understand that it is not smart and fun to just get somewhere a
random insecure base for 2 hours and then lose it. Understand
that and after understanding join a teamwork and follow the plan
which eventually can provide you a base that lasts for weeks not
for hours.
Such roles/jobs. There are other jobs obviously. If on really
likes m4 tanks then why not to keep them days in front of a gold
base and use it occasionally and then make more. Why not to have
such role if one is obsessed with such tanks.
So, there are plenty to do, many roles. If you are not yet ready
for teamwork and plans and mire smart tactics, then continue to
gather experiences on new maps after every 5 days. Get a 2nd
base for 3 hours, lose it, and try again.
I have myself enough knowledge and doing all the roles already
and writing this post here. We already am testing a Village
tactics and it has already been fine compared to other random
tactics. I am totally convinced we progress and the forum grows.
If you don't feel it then go into other clans and maybe there
they provide something different and better. But i suggest to
just stay in 1 clan like our 1st clan and help growing it with
all the roles above. It is very unlikely that other clans do
something much better than us. Go and find out and come back
later if you wish.
I don't see any obstacles. We surely grow etc. We for example
have now an ultra gold airbase player. Isn't that a great
achievement? Of course it is because niw we can kill enemy gold
players with airplanes. Plus we have a clear understanding that
air planes are a must to kill. Plus we have a forum, plans,
roles, etc. Can you get all that in other clans? No, they don't
even have a forum, only we have. But some of them have a voice
chat. Go ahead and organize that to us as well. Be active, do,
create, enjoy, don't complain.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 8:58 am
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For example, i oersonally am entertained. Because i help often
non gold players and it is a good feeling if you can do goid and
help.
I am making a forum with Wikipedia which will give knowledge and
socialising and that prevents people to suffer later etc. So, i
do good with creating such forum and it entertains me if i
slowly grow it.
I own a clan as a keader and plan to get a 2nd one. It is again
interesting to manage all the clan things. So, this game, clans
etc all are fun to me.
I invent new things, like new tactics, new names for the forum
topic titles, etc. Lot of creative things. I like to be
creative, why i should like to just do a dumb thing like killing
another player with my 10 times bigger army and 10 times more
gold? That is not creative, and usually becomes boring sooner or
later. So, i am fine with creativity i have in the game. I kill
plenty if enemies many ways all days and many creative ways.
That is more than enough.
So, i enjoy this entertainment game. But mistly i enjoy the
communication, planning, creativity, forum etc. I have found
plenty of joy. If you like just shooting enemies, then why not,
enjoy, and let's enjoy as a team all that. Let's agree together
to do certain agreed steps and tactics. So you could enjoy
shooting more and longer. If you disagree with doing more
shooting then fine again, continue to shoot alone. But very
likely you would shoot even more and enjoy more in teamwork.
Either agree with our teamwork steps, help to create them, or
search a clan who already have suitable rules. Enjoy whatever
you like and our clan believes it can help you enjoy even more
if you agree to do some teamwork.
So, as you see i like the game and things. I just keep a phone
in my hands right now and type those thoughts here and feel
good. Later i log into the game with the phone and make some
tanks. All this is a good entertainment.
#Post#: 89--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 9:19 am
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I see that many childrens don't realise that they always lose
their captured base with few hours if they don't use gold. They
have a hope that maybe their base stays alive this time longer.
But why not to talk in the forum and realise that such hope is
not realistic. Talk in the forum how is it still possible to
have your helicopter base and keep it longer than 3 hours.
Such hope and illusion makes disappointments to children soon.
There are many illusions even among gold players.
The cure is to talk and become smarter, do tactics etc.
Some players have an illusion that spending 40 gold makes their
base undestroyable. Again a wrong hope, not enough knowledge. At
the end of the day wins teamwork because 1 millionaire alone
have limits. He can make 1000 tanks for example in 10 minutes.
But after those 10 minutes he can't do any tanks anymore. So he
alone loses to 3 gold players.
10 years old children just like to admire their 1 helicopter,
nothing else.
20+ years old players don't need to admire a toy. They need to
feel to win. Intelligent humans need the feel of teamwork and
socialising etc. And some try to lead clans, and some develope
the community.
Many goals.
Most people stay on the understanding that all games require
money to be more victorious. But they won't think further. There
are plenty of gold players but only few teams are Top 1.
Therefore there is more knowledge than just Pay To Win slogan.
Why don't you develope the ability to see further from slogans
in your life?
#Post#: 90--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 10:50 am
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Some could help to organise educational tests, and fun
chalkenges, and other events. For example, make a test who wins
a duel: 5 Bredas or 3 Lancias. Why not to do other experiments,
we can vote and predict how a map goes and comoete to each other
who makes more Polus etc. And we can have prizes. A drawing
contest and mire.
So, a lot of entertaining. Isn't it. So, go ahead, be active,
and enjoy.
#Post#: 91--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: bobby66
Date: May 11, 2023, 11:29 am
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Everyone have different life style, different time to wake up,
different other things.
I work 4 days in a row, from morning to kate evening. Then 4
days off from work and mostly doing things with my computer. At
work i use my phone but it is complicated of course.
Most bases are list probably when you sleep or are away. If you
know that your enemy has european time and sleeps now then you
as an american could attack his base right this time.
In my opinion playing all day with 1 non gold account doesn't
give much benefit. Even if you make 50 gold per week with Polus
then is it really worth the time? For 50 gold you can secure 1
base pretty well, but if it is a separate alone teamless base
then it can't do anything. Because 40 Polus can't kill a gold
base and you can't travel through the map, you just sit in 1
base doing nothing, or, doing Polus. Eventually someone spends
few expensive air planes and kills your 50 gold worth base.
It is good to realise that computer games are generally a waste
of time. But those who know that do just different time-wasting
hobbies, like cigarettes. So, if playing this game feels fine
for you now then do and enjoy. But if you see you complain too
often then why you continue to play it?
Spending money in computer entertainment is nothing uncommon and
nothing a sin like. Everything costs, nothing is for free in
life. For example, a cinema ticket costs money, most computer
games make profit. So, if you spend some money then fine, no
shame. If you manage to play for free, again fine, and if you
wish to hear a respect for that then i can say few times.
It is popular to speak that a game is dying. The reality is
usualky different in most games. Games are doing finely.
Most bigger games require lot if software to download, like 20
gigabytes, fast internet, and premium items cost around 50 eur,
which is 10 times more than 1000 gold in thus game. So, this
game is cheap.
Compared to other games this game has some nice teamwork
characteristics. In other team games you must often have a very
precise aiming with your hand. In this game you can skip such
hand work and concentrate on a bigger picture. The tanks don't
require any aiming work.
Would i change anything in the game? Maybe i would offer gold to
non gold players. And making the 10 Polus = 1 gold equation more
softer. The goal is to make gold production little bit easier
than it is now. So, that most non gold players could at least
set armor for 15 gold to 2nd base and nothing more. That would
make their helicopter base to last from 2 hours to 12 hours
which is much better.
#Post#: 92--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: bobby66
Date: May 11, 2023, 12:19 pm
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Some suggestions/plans:
1. A new map will be opened probably in few 2-3 days. Non gold
players go practice and enjoy it. 2 gold players should stay on
the current map and learn.
2. The current map is almist full of bases. The dominating clan
Deadheads got airplane bases but it is expensive still to kill
our gold bases with their air planes. Also that clan usually
leaves the map soon all together, plus other players. I suggest
to stay on the map and wait and see when they leave. Plus, let's
see and learn when the game allows us to make more than 5 bases
in total.
And get longer experience with our experimental center village.
3. Maybe after a week the map gets empty because people leave to
new maps and we can get an airplain or train base. In that case
we stay longer perhaps on that map and invite non gold players
too there.
Right now our main threat are expensive airplanes,maybe later
ships too. So, i suggest to create Skinks and Katyushas. And
wait. If possible we take new newbie bases.
#Post#: 93--------------------------------------------------
Re: chat
DIR By: bobby66
Date: May 11, 2023, 12:40 pm
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In the game chat someone asked which anti aircaft tanks, m19,
Skink, etc, is best.
Well, i don't know either very clearly. All i remember that
helicopters die much quicker with one special tank. The game
does not show vehicle description if you look with phone. So,
let's make those tanks visible in our Wikipedia here soon and
then add comments to there.
I can say that m19 takes around 200 military points so that a
non gold player can afford to have 5-6 of them, while Mauls take
around 100 mili points and Skinks 100 too as i remember. So, the
m19 is expensive in mili points.
Some tanks have double range or triple range when an enemy
shoots. But some vehicles have long range when enemy moves, etc.
Such nuances make some vehicles more capable. So, with 3
different AntiAir tanks it is the same, that they all 3 have
some nuances with the weapon ranges.
Also Mauls and T34c have. So, we should compare all 5 tanks.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 1:00 pm
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It doesn't make much difference if you know or don't kniw the
above nuances/differences.
The main thing is to understand that there are flak destroying
tanks, like Lancias, bredas ets, and their ammo looks like
bullets, never like rockets. Those tanks are very weak against
other tanks. For example, 5 Lancias can't together kill a M4
tank.even if the numbers show that Lancias can make a bigger
number damage, then against a M4 tank or other tanks their
damage amount is very little.
The 2nd group of vehicles are weak against flak destroying. Like
Mauls and M4 don't do much damage to flaks. They are effective
against other tanks. All tanks with rockets are such, like
Mauls, Katyushas, Willies, but akso some tanks with bulkets like
M4.
The main thing us to understand thise 2 groups: anti flak
vehicles, anti vehicles tanks. So, all anti aircraft 5 tanks we
mentioned are fine against aircraft and weak in flak destroying.
That knowledge is enough. Doesn't matter much if you use Skinks
or M19, they all work fine. One of them is specialid to heavy
expensive airplanes, i suggest to create only that type. I think
it was Skink. Probably the other tank m19 kills helicopters
quicker.
We must write them to our Wiki and comment.
I think it is fine to use either Skink or m19, and test it. It
does not nake you lose the game if you don't know which is
better for helicopters etc. The game is lost if you don't have
any gold team members and no teamwork. The main knowledge is:
flak destroyers and vehicle destroyers, the heavy air planes and
trains kill gold bases, helicopters not, ships not much either.
So, both m19 and Skink are fine if you understand the main
knowledge.
Skink is always 2 times cheaper in military points than m19. So,
just use always Skinks.
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