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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 9, 2023, 9:53 am
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And update.
We lost in the willage Delson's base to the DeadHeads clan. It
had 8 L1 flaks plus 13 Mauls but they had ca 100 vehicles.
We got a new village member Tege.
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Re: chat
DIR By: tony77
Date: May 9, 2023, 9:59 am
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Thank you
Delson, Tege,
for doing the village tactics.
Sorry Delson that we could not defend your Village base.
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Re: chat
DIR By: tony77
Date: May 9, 2023, 1:25 pm
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Today we had a good experience with the Village tactics.
Some lessons learned:
1. If you create with 3 gold accounts the Village then you log
in and out very often. Eventually the game doesn ot let you log
in anymore for a while. Somehow one of my phones stil lcan log
in but the PC and the other phone cannot log in. It has happened
before too and after a day everything will be fine again.
Probably the game ban my IP address for a day.
2. Totally alone with 3 account i managed to habit 3x4=12 bases
i nthe center but it recruired quite lot of gold. It is wise to
set immediately maximum flak/defence to it because later
neighbour enemies cannot create maximum range defence, the game
does not allow to do it if there are neighbour enemies. There
was an invisible helicopter over my 2 bases and the warning
message said it and didn't allow to create maximu mrange
defence. Finally the helicopter flew away and i set imemdiately
quickly maximum defence.
12 bases with maximum flaks plus i spend 1-4 gold to speed up
every flak/cannon building. Plus i tried to buy +30k Resources
for gold and set 15h resources creation. In total those 12 bases
took few hundreds of gold, but we should calculate later in more
detail. Also i used gold to que 27 Lancias few times.
Maybe 300 gold in total for 12 bases?
3. If you have let's say 4 bases on the old map, then detonatiog
for 9 gold 1 base requires 10 minutes waiting when you can
detonate the next one. That new knowledge suggests next time to
prepare better before a new map is about to be opened.
4. Preparation for a new map also requires to have resources
lower than 1 million and tansk dead. Because if you still have
tanks then your Rating is over 2000 and that prevents to move to
a new map. And if you have still over 1 million of
Steel/aluminium then it prevents to set up 15h Gold creation of
buying 30k resources.
5. We got a non-gold player into the corner of the Village and i
sent 12 Mauls infron of it, it had 9 L1 flaks and the enemy
destroyed such corner base with my tanks easily. So, only gold
players can participiate i nthe Village i nthe begining of the
map. But probably later on the 2nd day non-gold players can
still send their Conquest Truck to the village and get a safe
base if it is really in the center of the Village.
But in overall we managed to create a small village of 13 bases,
12 mine and 1 from our clan member who had gold to set maximum
defence. All those 13 bases have decent defence, 12+ flaks. But
obviously sooner or later even those wil lbe destroyed if the
enemy uses bomber airplanes or heavy ships. or hundreds of
tanks. Trains are not in that area.
Also i know the clan DeadHeads who is on that map this time and
i know they leave maps after 1-2 week to jump to a new one. So,
if we manage to survive longer on this map then we could perhaps
continue on this map, i jsut need to normal computer log in
permission back. But my 1 phone works too, so at least i can do
flaks and few tanks and i remember the "ban" on the PC lasts
around 1 day.
Also i would say that it is very difficult if our clan has only
me as 1 gold player. Would be much easier if we had let's say 5
gold active players. The Deadheads clan who wil ldominate this
map has around 8 gold members as i remember. we have screenshots
about them in this forum, go look to get a picture.
It is still possible to expand the Village next 2 days i guess
but after that not anymore because it wil lbe impossible to
accees the center of the map then. That's why i suggest already
now to all players to send their Conquest Truck to the village
to wait for few days. So we could reserv some bases to them in
the center of the Village next days. I myself have already
maximum 5 bases with all account and can't get more bases during
this week, there is a rule of maximum 5 bases per week.
I tried to set the clan's checkbox "take new users in
automatically" but it said we need to wait 7 more days to change
that checkbox. somehow/somebody too kthat checkbox off recently
probalby. So now i should manually take new players in. Recently
we got more proof that there are spy accounts that jsut register
to the clan to see which bases are weaker and then their real
clan can attack it.
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Re: chat
DIR By: admin
Date: May 9, 2023, 2:20 pm
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A non-gold player can't keep safely a 2nd base if it is not
surrounded by gold-player alleys.
If a non-gold player makes few hundred POlus then he can buy 30k
resources including 30k Concreate. That costs around 10 gold.
Without such amount of concrete it is impossible to build many
flaks. Using 30k Concrete would make around 22 flaks out of 30.
Plus flaks armor upgrade and range upgrade which together can
cost around 35 gold.
So, around 50 gold to make a 2nd base which has 22 flaks and
such can stay alive for 2 weeks perhaps.
Specially if such 2nd base is clsoe to trains/ships then it dies
easily but also with airplane bombers it would die quite
cheapely.
So, the teamwork is needed always and some gold too.
For a person who does not liek to make 400 Polus during 2 weeks
this game is very frustrating. Who has some gold then still must
be near alleys so that neighbour alleys can support.
In my opinion the Village tactics that we try is the best option
for a non gold player. And that means building a non-gold base
inside a Village so it would be surrounded by strong bases and
enemy can't access it. Such non-gold base does not help the clan
much but the clan should be happy if it can help little bit
non-gold players.
The suggestion is to for the clan to accept all members and be
present on new maps so that there would be a chance to get one
day 5+ gold players.
Even if there would be 5+ gold players one day then the next
obstacle is to be an active player and rush to a new map
imemdiately and take tactical bases, like train bases.
The suggestion is to talk in a forum to understand things. It is
not 100% Pay-to-win game because a teamwork can still provide
for some time bigger defence and enjoyable teamwork. For example
i myself have been in a clan which had 10+ gold players and i as
non golgp layer builded my insecure bases inside
cluster/vilalges. That was my own idea and it worked and i kept
around 3-5 bases on maps and participiated in many attacks with
the team.
So, the key is to be optimistic, not to be frustrated, and do
teamwork and be in a clan that supports it.
Also, go look into wikipedia, how much a bomber airplane "me264
messerschmitt" costs.
A non-gold player cannot even afford it, because it is requires
so many military points. But a gold player can afford around 10
such planes and would stil lrequire other team members who make
few hundred Bredas and then they can obviously destroy together
any base. But it is expensive and at the end of the day wins a
gold member who has more gold and more gold clan members.
There are clans and players who often jump to new maps because
the beginning phase of a map is interesting and easier and the
end phase is slow and more boring. Knowing that one clan can
actually decide to stay on 1 and only map and hope that enemies
will leave it sooner or later. But maybe jumping to every map
ending with number 4 is more fun and wiser. A clan must together
decide such behaviours. At the start i suggest to try some more
times the Village method and wait more gold players.
All the maps look similar, probably there are 2-3 map types
where rivers/railways flow little bit differently. so it sohuld
be easy to elarn where train bases appear. If you look at the
above 10am picture then you see that i was a player number 5 or
less on the new map and the train bases were already taken by
the DeadHeads clan. So, they already know where train bases
appear and rush probably blindly to such locations imemdiately.
The suggestion is to learn such tactical base locations and also
learn in which time new maps are opened. If the truth is that
10am are maps opened and you know which locations to move then
at 10:04 you will arrive to the train base with the other smart
clan member and if you are lucky you kill him and ge the
tactical base and spend 100 gold on it and win the map- if all
the assumptions about map openeing and train base locations are
correct.
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Re: chat
DIR By: bobby66
Date: May 10, 2023, 2:26 am
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10/05/2023, 08:25, update:
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Re: chat
DIR By: bobby66
Date: May 10, 2023, 2:36 am
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A summary from the above mages.
The clan has around 11 active members as you see in above, but
it is still not possible to turn ON the automatically taking new
players IN.
The new map has a new villager Delson in North area and we sent
a defence to him: 8xSkink + 6xKats.
Today morning i can again log in with a PC, so we know how the
banning system work 1 day now. But next 4 days i only play 1
hour in the morning and in the later evening 1 hour.
Older maps have some players who have expensive bases there, so
it is understandable that they don't liek to detonate those for
9 gold and move to a newer map.
I sugegst to agree to move next all together to the map 2061
agter 2 weeks.
The village tactics survived 1 day. You see there is empty space
inside the Village, there will appear soon new bases. Can you
send your Conquest trucks already now to there? So you wil lget
a base there.
I still don't know when will i be allowed to get my 6th base,
maybe after few days the restriction goes away.
Special thanks to Tege, Delson for helping the Village idea.
Let's see how the Village idea goes. surely i will loose soon
some bases, but how many?
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 10, 2023, 3:26 pm
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Today on the new map we still managed to keep the Village bases
in the center. Even a non-gold player is still alive in there
which proves the Village idea is not so weak.
1 alley gold member made the Village even wider with 4 bases. If
he stayes with our clan then that would be very promising.
Because i know that soon this new map leader leaves the map.
We got many new knowledges and i believe with next map we will
be even more successful.
One of the knowledge for exampel is how to keep a clan always
opened to new joiners. And many other knowledge whic i will try
to document here soon.
The new map for non-gold players is over because it is
impossible now to proceed and the suggestion for them is to move
to new maps.
We will agree soon which is the next colelctive map and which
tactics we use and we wil lget new joiners soon.
In my opinion we had many nice teamworks today and yesterday,
plus non-gold players got support from other players, plus the
forum got more posts etc- isn'y al lthat together a bigger
victory than to win any maps?
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Re: chat
DIR By: tony77
Date: May 10, 2023, 3:58 pm
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A gold player Romo585 joined the new map todat and took quickly
4 bases and made with few minutes a big helicopter army and we
arned that he will be hired by other clans soon.
And so it went.
For our clan: we have the wisdom to predict things.
For him: we said him that go ahead and join new clan.
Our clan leaders have been in many clans, including in the clan
where the player Romo went.
But if luck gives us soon new gold players then we can obviously
progress and that should make non-gold players life also easier.
I don't think that winning is important, but rather that we all
do nice cowork, develope the forum, and find ways to support
non-gold players.
So, don't be sad if gold players leave us from tiem to time. We
wil lsurely get soon more of them and again lose, this is
natural.
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 4:58 am
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To kill a gold enemy base one needs trains or heavy air planes.
It is difficult to get train bases because those taken away
immediately within few minutes by enemies.
Ships and helicopters can't kill a gold base in my opinion. On
the map's 2nd day appear air plane bases which only gold players
should take because they can afford to build heavy bombers. So
the tactics is to create a village where gold players keep 3
conquered bases and later take a 4th capture base on the 2nd day
for airplanes. That gives the team ability to make heavy bombers
and kill enemy gold bases. It is not possible to kill an enemy
with helicopters, ships, tanks. One needs 400 Bredas plus 8
airplanes plus 10 anti aicraft tanks.
We can do it on next map.
It may sound brutal that non golden players should not take
train and airplane bases. But they just can't afford to buy 1
airplane and can't secure the base. Therefore they should only
help to get for the team such bases and do cheaper roles, like
scouting with helicopters and making cannon meat tanks and
building only near gold players and ideally be totally
surrounded by them.
I think we will get soon an answer when are gold players allowed
to get next base after they have 5 in total including the home
base. Maybe the answer is: when a yellow line and base appears
on the map and that happens on the 8th day of the map, maybe.
The village is not accessible anymore by corner players, so we
have 2 gold players in the middle of the map and empty space
inside the village, so those 2 players will try to take new
bases soon inside the village. Non gold players should go to new
map soon, 2 gold players in the middle should practice longer
with the village idea and decide after a week or 2 if we are
ready for the next map.
The only way to kill gold bases is with trains and airplanes. If
you can demostrate to kill other ways then why don't you
demostrate or provide an other proof. I can demonstrate that
hundreds if tanks can't kill a gold base, and can show that a
non gold player cannot buy 1 heavy unit because not enough
Military points and not enough steel etc. I provide demos and
proofs soon to the wikipedia. Also, even if a non gold player
manages to get 1 heavy airplane then 1 is not enough, around 10
is needed.
Look at the Military points 1550 there, while a non gold player
has 1100:
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Re: chat
DIR By: fastmotion
Date: May 11, 2023, 6:33 am
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We lost a 1st Village gold base today.
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The enemy used many air planes, without airplanes it would be
impossible.
1 such airplane cost quite a lot if you look the Wikipedia. 9k
aluminium, 1550 Military points. So, let's say they had 6 air
planes, that would require 6x1550 military points, ca 10k
military points while a nongold player has 1100 military points
which is 10 times less, and a 1 home base at maximum military
provides around 3000 mili points. So, one needs around 4 fully
upgraded bases in total to be able to have 10k mili points and 6
air planes.
So, the team needs a gold player who can spend few hundreds gold
to get such 6 air planes.
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