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Re: TOTS
By: KoolKiwi Date: May 18, 2017, 5:34 pm
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It's a frustration Glad. In one way, Utd were great defensively.
How the heck they even did that with the players they have, is
beyond me (aside from a few standouts).
This is the first season in a long time that I've actually
watched more live games of United since leaving South Africa
(time zone issue). It's been incredibly frustrating that they're
not always playing defensive or negative football, but the
quality of finishing has been the real issue!
As you can imagine - as a Utd supporter - what Mourinho brought
in was a huge ego, which meant budget to buy players. The squad
needs so much work still, it's scary. We would have been way
worse off if Moyes was still there - he didn't have enough of an
ego to say "I want Pogba" (for example).
On Conte/Chelsea ... for me this is short lived & I may need to
eat my words in the future. The reason I say this is that he's
had success due to a formation change. The 3 at-the-back, or
arguably 5 atb formation is what has changed things. Yep - the
squad is gelling betting that under Mourinho, but next season I
think teams will learn to counter that formation - possibly
playing the same. Already seen Arsenal play that too.
It's kinda like the transition over the years with regard to
'formations that work'. 4231 was all the rage years ago ...
teams are moving away from that. Not United though!
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Re: TOTS
By: SherlockH Date: May 19, 2017, 4:22 am
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I also don't get why there are four Utd players in the squad,
given they have played mourinhos usual anti football brand. De
gea was the best keeper and ibrahimovic is a ea favourite and
was always going to get in but the other two surprise me,
neither have been outstanding and I think there have been a
number of players that have been better in their positions, rose
would have been a better choice at fullback. Lallana is a
pleasant surprise as well, thought coutinho would been in
instead of him. For the most part though you can't argue with
the majority of the squad.
The problem with both Man City and Liverpool has been their
complete lack of consistency and their abject defending at
times. They have both played great attacking football one week
and then have been unable to string a couple of passes together
the next.
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Re: TOTS
By: gladiatorrrrrr Date: May 19, 2017, 4:35 am
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to be fair Kiwi, I haven't seen many games from ManU to judge.
But when I saw them playing I wasn't impressed with the will to
attack. It felt like they were playing with a hand-brake on.
ManU was always 'swinging' football. A reason why I liked them.
Those days seems to be gone
@ Chelsea: you might be right but Juve is plating like this for
a couple of years and are very successful with. I tend to
believe that Conti 'trigger's the players better than Mourinho.
He uses them in their strength.....
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Re: TOTS
By: KoolKiwi Date: May 19, 2017, 5:26 am
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Look, I'm super critical of Man Utd - call a spade a spade.
They're not playing well enough and how they've scraped through
to the final of the Europa League, is beyond me. Thankfully that
has happened and they still have a chance at Champions League
football next year.
On Conte/Chelsea ... I like Conte, think he's a good manager &
done well. But the fact is he took over a damn good squad! All
he needed to do was motivate them, get them in the right spots &
boom ... they're the best in Britain. Sure, he did it, but it
was easier than say taking over Utd at the same time, trying to
get the best out of them.
Mourinho - call him arrogant whatever you want - the squad he's
inherited is not a 'cohesive unit'. SAF did a tremendous job
over the years, but he retired (IMO) knowing that his squad was
not in the best of shape.
I'm still not a huge Mourinho fan, but we're stuck with him. All
I can hope is that over the next season or 2, he rebuilds the
squad capable of that good football again.
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Re: TOTS
By: KoolKiwi Date: May 19, 2017, 6:44 am
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[quote author=SherlockH link=topic=375.msg35791#msg35791
date=1495185731]
I also don't get why there are four Utd players in the squad,
given they have played mourinhos usual anti football brand. De
gea was the best keeper and ibrahimovic is a ea favourite and
was always going to get in but the other two surprise me,
neither have been outstanding and I think there have been a
number of players that have been better in their positions, rose
would have been a better choice at fullback. Lallana is a
pleasant surprise as well, thought coutinho would been in
instead of him. For the most part though you can't argue with
the majority of the squad.
The problem with both Man City and Liverpool has been their
complete lack of consistency and their abject defending at
times. They have both played great attacking football one week
and then have been unable to string a couple of passes together
the next.
[/quote]
I think maybe Valencia pipped Rose due to the # of appearances
(27 starts vs 18).
Re: Liverpool players - didn't see much football so can only
check on stats. Coutinho was robbed IMO.
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Re: TOTS
By: Cart79 Date: May 19, 2017, 9:07 am
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[quote author=Kiwi link=topic=375.msg35793#msg35793
date=1495189573]. SAF did a tremendous job over the years, but
he retired (IMO) knowing that his squad was not in the best of
shape. [/quote]
sorry Kiwi to pick on just one comment (didn't want to quote the
lot) but I don't think it is fair to blame SAF now for the squad
he left. Onto the 3rd manager since, must've been 400m spent on
players if not more. Should be ample to have addressed any
deficiencies in the squad. Although I do appreciate that when a
new manager comes its a bit rip it up and start again. But
that's a common excuse of modern manager, blame the predecessor
to try reduce the expectations on themselves.
on the bright side for you, despite the criticism of Mourinho's
style, if you throw enough money at it and sign Rodriguez and
Griezmann, the attacking side of United's play should improve
considerably.
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Re: TOTS
By: gladiatorrrrrr Date: May 19, 2017, 11:24 am
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If Mourinho let them attack in the first place 😁
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Re: TOTS
By: gladiatorrrrrr Date: May 19, 2017, 11:24 am
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Anyway BPL TOTS so people go pack crazy
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Re: TOTS
By: KoolKiwi Date: May 19, 2017, 5:12 pm
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[quote author=Cart79 link=topic=375.msg35797#msg35797
date=1495202821]
[quote author=Kiwi link=topic=375.msg35793#msg35793
date=1495189573]. SAF did a tremendous job over the years, but
he retired (IMO) knowing that his squad was not in the best of
shape. [/quote]
sorry Kiwi to pick on just one comment (didn't want to quote the
lot) but I don't think it is fair to blame SAF now for the squad
he left. Onto the 3rd manager since, must've been 400m spent on
players if not more. Should be ample to have addressed any
deficiencies in the squad. Although I do appreciate that when a
new manager comes its a bit rip it up and start again. But
that's a common excuse of modern manager, blame the predecessor
to try reduce the expectations on themselves.
on the bright side for you, despite the criticism of Mourinho's
style, if you throw enough money at it and sign Rodriguez and
Griezmann, the attacking side of United's play should improve
considerably.
[/quote]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not purely blaming on SAF for
everything. Moyes and LvG had a run at it and unfortunately
didn't achieve.
I will say this - I've always stated that SAF didn't leave Utd
in the best shape - it's not just a recent comment. What he got
out of that Utd squad for the 20th title was close to miraculous
- especially the front line - thus showing what a great manager
he was. Oh, and thank RvP too!
Fast forward a few years ... a £50M+ teenager, another teenager
brought through the ranks, selling off Hernandez & Welbeck (not
the best but at least settled), Rooney aging and as team captain
not coping with being the primary goalscorer ... it's not going
to win them titles and shown that it's barely good enough to get
them into European competition. Ibra's added some oomf but I
think his injury means he won't have another season there.
Pogba was a great (future) signing - Utd needed him to attract
future stars. I can only imagine what Mourinho said to force the
board to spend that.
Agreed that another few signings - specifically in the attacking
area - needs to happen for Utd to be competitive again (for the
title of course).
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Re: TOTS
By: KoolKiwi Date: May 19, 2017, 5:13 pm
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[quote author=gladiatorrrrrr link=topic=375.msg35799#msg35799
date=1495211089]
Anyway BPL TOTS so people go pack crazy
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[/quote]
Man ... had our 30 saved packs in place. Bought some FP for the
lightning rounds and it was back to pure disappointment. Nothing
blue on the horison ... and the saved packs were "worth" 1M
coins.
The kid even tried 10-odd EPL packs ... nothing.
Just horrible.
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