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4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: TheBalbyBuddha Date: January 1, 2016, 2:21 pm
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A guide from the darkside has been working well for me, as
4-2-3-1 has been an issue since the 5th patch
Crush high pressure opponents
A 433(2) guide
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1. Introduction
I have been wandering around these forums for quite some time
now, enjoying to read different topics. I never really posted a
lot before, but I think something was kind of missing in the
guides section. A proper guide to 433(2) and a guide to beating
high pressure by using possession play.
Since almost everyone in FUT and Online Seasons is using high
pressure, it will be very usefull if you know how to play
against it.
This will be my first guide ever, so please don’t be hard on me.
Background
I have been playing FIFA since 96 and online since FIFA 13. I
really enjoy playing FUT and Online Season and in both I have
won Division 1 a couple of times. I will not say I’m super good,
I think I’m an average player. But this is what most of you guys
out here are, so that’s why this will be a good read for you.
Why 433(2)?
I’m a big fan of Barcelona in real life, since their play is
just magical at times. In my opinion the best way to beat high
pressure is possession play.
I have tried all formations this year and couldn’t really settle
with any of them for possession play.
I have always been playing 433(2) in the past, but it looks so
standard and dull. Nevertheless I switched back to it and
started tweaking the formation a little bit and I’m at a point
now that I’m more than satisfied with the results.
In my opinion 433(2) is the best way to keep possession and
still be dangerous and unpredictable.
Pro’s:
Possession play (Average will be at 55-70% if you master it)
Effective counter attacking
Balanced
Good against high pressure
Con’s:
You need a lot of patience because the learning curve will not
be easy
2. The formation explained
There are different ways of playing with this formation, as it
is very balanced. You can choose to make the game, like
Barcelona or Bayern does, which means you will have possession
for most of the time. You can also choose to give the ball to
your opponent and sit back for a counter attack, more like Real
Madrid does.
I always start off trying to make the game and this will work
most of the times. It will result in a lot of possesion, I have
games where I reach 70%, which is a lot in FIFA.
But sometimes the opponent is just better than you are in
holding possession. In this case I try to find the open spots in
his formation when he is attacking. A good counter attack will
be a very strong weapon.
A big part of the learning curve will be adapting to your
opponents and using this formation to it’s maximum potential.
Possession play
I have tried the possession custom tactic, but I do not like it
at all. It feels slow and you will get stuck on your own half at
times a lot. I will explain about custom tactics later on.
The best way to dominate possession, is getting out of your own
half and moving the game up the pitch.
So how do we actually move the game up the pitch?
Starting from the GK to the midfield:
There are some options here… It kind of depends on how your
opponent is playing. For example, if he’s using 3 strikers
pressing you CB’s, I do not recommend you throwing or kicking
the ball to them, because the risk of losing the ball will
result in a goal 9 out of 10 times. Also the trick of giving it
to the fullbacks is known by a lot of people now, so try to find
out as quickly as possible if he is covering them, use the
radar!
Scenario 1: He is not pressing your defence, which is the most
ideal situation. Give the ball to your CB’s or LB/RB. From there
you can switch it up to the CDM. He is actually one of the most
important factors in starting your attack. He is in the centre
of the field, which means, he can reach a lot of players. I use
a lot of 1/2 passes between my LB/RB and CDM to move the game up
the pitch. If you can make a run, or go past a player with your
LB/RB, DO IT! It will give you a huge amount of space. Be
carefull with going past players with your CDM, because losing
the ball here is a very dangerous place.
I always use as a rule of thumb: take risks on the wings,
because you are not vulnerable there. Try to take as less risk
as possible with your CDM and CB’s.
With possession play it’s really important not to lose the ball
at your own half, because you are very vulnerable here.
Scenario 2: He is pressing the back 4, and has your CB’s and
FB’s are covered. No problems at all, see if you CDM is free, if
not your LCM, RCM will definitely be. Throw the ball and build
from there. If you are kicking, your wingers will be available
most of the times as wel. Using the radar here is crucial.
Scenario 3: He kind of has all your players covered because he
is using high pressure. This can be a problem, but doesn’t need
to be. It all depends on the striker you are playing. Which
ofcourse I will explain later on. If you are using a target man,
this scenario will be no problem for you, because you can kick
to ball to him and he will win 9 out of 10 headers.
Midfield to attack:
So I suppose that you made it over the midline by now. Don’t
rush it! Stay calm.
Try to progress slowly from here. Because now the rest of your
team can move up the pitch as well. This creates a massive trap
for your opponnent, because when you lose the ball now, there
are 10 players in this area who can put pressure and win the
ball back.
This is also a rule of thumb: When you lose the ball in your
opponents half, put pressure and win it back within 5 seconds.
This will work a lot of times and this is how Barcelona and
Bayern play as well. This is why they have 70% possession or
more! Not because they are playing the ball around in the back,
but because they move the play up the pitch and work their asses
off when they lose it.
Attacking:
Does not need a lot of explaining, but I’ll give you some tips.
In this formation, you will not have a topscorer. Because you
play possession based, anyone can score, even your CDM. Try to
make 1-2 combo’s and find open spaces. For example my 2 CM’s
score a lot of goals with longshots, but also because they got
in the box by using a 1-2 pass.
How many goals your ST will score, depends on the ST you are
using. A targetman will score less goals, but will have a lot of
assists. A jack of all trades will average these numbers. A
quick agile ST, will score a lot, but I do not recommend this
type of ST in this formation, I will explain why later on.
How much your wingers will score, depends on how good they are
at finishing, I see a lot of people using wingers like Bolasie,
Ibarbo, etc. They are indeed very fast and very strong. But
everytime I face these kind of wingers, I see them missing 9 out
of 10 chances. Pace and strength are not the attributes I look
for in my wingers for this formation. Passing, dribbling and
finishing will get you the results you want. How great is it to
have a winger that can deliver accurate passes and give a good
cross. As well as scoring almost every chance he gets.
Enough said. Let’s move on to the specific players for this
formation.
3. The players
Note: I will only cover NIF Gold players and only players that I
have used myself.
GK:
People always say, use the GK you like. I do not agree with
this. There are stats on a GK that are very important in this
formation. Since we are playing a possession based game, he must
be a good thrower and kicker. These stats are most important.
Every GK stops goals in this game, since they are already OP.
I personally think diving and reflexes are overrated. 75+ is
more than sufficient.
Height is very usefull for stopping longshots, but the negative
side is that you mostly get slow GK’s. I prefer quicker ones,
because this formation is countered at times and you will need
him to rush out quickly if that happens.
So in short: look for good kicking, decent overall stats and if
possible long thrower trait.
Best GK’s: Neuer, De Gea, Leno, Bravo
Good GK’s: Diego Alves, Mandanda, Hart, Begovic, Sirigu
Personal favourites: Neuer, Sirigu
CB’s:
I try to work with CB’s that have good passing stats, since they
are responsible for the build up play to your LB/RB and CDM. If
they have bad passing, it will be very hard to do this properly.
Important stats in my opinion here are: Standing tackle, Sliding
tackle, Strenght and interceptions.
The most ideal CB is a guy that is good with the ball and can
defend solidly.
Unfortunately there are not a lot of these around. Therefore you
can choose to pair a CB as described above with a solid CB, who
is good at defending and heading, some strenght does help as
well. Pace does matter but is not most important. I do advise
you to always have at least one quick CB, which in most cases
also is the ball playing defender.
Best ball playing CB’s: Thiago Silva, David Luiz, Pique,
Hummels, Javi Martinez, Ramos, Boateng, Koscielny, Naldo, Godin
Good ball playing CB’s: Bartra, Vermaelen, Mascherano, Matip,
Nkoulou, Alderweireld, Schär
Personal favourites: Ramos, Thiago Silva, Boateng, Godin
Best solid defending CB’s: Chiellini, Mertesacker, Garay, Terry,
Sokratis, Otamendi, Kompany, Miranda, Pepe, Benatia
Good solid defending CB’s: Mathieu, Höwedes, Varane, Bonucci,
Castan, Caceres, Barzagli
Personal favourites: Otamendi, Miranda, Benatia, Mathieu
Best pairing: 2 ball playing CB’s, with solid defending stats,
for example David Luiz + Thiago Silva is a really good combo.
Pique + Ramos is also very effective. Boateng + Hummels as well.
And so on.
Solid pairing: 1 ball playing CB with a solid defender.
Workrates: M/H or L/H is good for a solid defender. It means
they will stay back and don’t actually do buildup play a lot.
Most ball playing defenders will have H/M or M/M or H/H. In my
opinion workrates do not really matter here, as long as you are
using solid players. I have experienced that pairing a M/H with
a H/M works really well. I suggest you experiment a little with
that and find what suits you best.
LB/RB:
These guys will be a great addition to our attacking line, so
they really need to be complete players. Passing, crossing,
longshots, defending, they have to do it all. They will be
running over the pitch for the whole game, so stamina is also
something to look for. I don’t really care for pace here, I
think it is more important they are good at attacking and
defending as well.
Best LB’s: Alaba, Jordi Alba, Rodriguez, Marcelo, Baines
Good LB’s: Sandro, AZP, Filipe Luis, Tremoulinas, Gaya, Kurzawa,
Personal favourites: Alaba by faaarrrrr (he is so good omg),
Jordi Alba, Gaya (cheap Jordi Alba).
Best RB’s: Dani Alves, Lichtsteiner, Carvajal, Zabaleta, Aurier
Good RB’s: Walker, Danilo, Coleman, Piszczek, De Marcos, Montoya
Personal favourites: I prefer Dani Alves, he is such an
attacking player, which is really usefull in this formation. I
also really enjoyed playing with Aurier, who is very strong.
Workrates: Try to look for H/M, I think attacking is more
important on this type of player than defending.
CDM:
One of the crucial spots in your team and also a tough one to
pick, since there are so many different types of midfielders.
Basically what’s important for this player is building the game
and intercepting passes. I personally prefer a player that has
good short and long passing, defending stats are not that
important for me, since defending is kind of OP this year. But I
do not advise this when you struggle with defending. If you do
struggle I’d use a more defending type of player, but still with
decent enough passing. You can also choose for a player that
fits right in between these two styles.
Best Building CDM’s: Busquets, Lahm
Good Building CDM’s: Alonso, Motta
Best Tank CDM’s: Matic, Khedira, De Rossi Krychowiak
Good Tank CDM’s: Matuidi, Luiz Gustavo, Schneiderlin, Melo
Best Allround CDM’s: Vidal, Fernandinho, Nainggolan,
Good Allround CDM’s: Ramires, Verratti, Marchisio
Personal favourites: Busquets, Krychowiak, Matuidi, Vidal
Workrates: M/H is best here, but M/M or H/H will work as well.
CM’s:
Here you have 3 combinations in my opinion:
Playmaker + playmaker
Playmaker + Box-To-Box
Box-To-Box + Box-To-Box
This really comes down to personal preference. I like to play
with two playmakers, because it makes your attack really
dangerous. But I also had great results using a playmaker +
box-to-box, wich felt really balanced.
I always try to have at least one CM with good long shots,
because it is just a great weapon to have. I don’t care for pace
on these players, passing and dribbling is crucial. Also if you
do use a box-to-box midfielder, stamina will come in handy,
because they will cover a lot of field.
Best playmakers: Iniesta, Özil, Fabregas, De Bruyne, David
Silva, James
Good playmakers: Cazorla, Isco, Götze, Pjanic, Rakitic, Kroos
Best Box-To-Box: Modric, Pogba, Vidal, Marchisio, Nainggolan
Good Box-To-Box: Ramsey, Pereyra, Parolo, Witsel, Ramires
Personal favourites: Iniesta, Modric, De Bruyne, Rakitic,
Marchisio, Pereyra
Workrates: I personally do not care for workrates here, but I do
not advise higher defending that attacking, so M/H, L/H and L/M
is not going to be great.
LW/RW:
Pace is not important here, but there is a minimum requirement
here, you must be able to beat most CB’s, so I advice 75+. You
are looking for a winger that is good at finishing, passing and
crossing. Skill moves might come in handy here, so I advice you
look for 4* skills, also 4* weakfoot is recommendable.
There is a wide range of choices here, but I suggest H/L, H/M
workrates. There are a few exceptions like Messi, Reus, etc. You
can alther their workrates by using personal instructions.
Best LW’s: Ronaldo, Neymar, Reus, Hazard, Ribery, Sanchez
Good LW’s: Nolito, Konoplyanka, Perisic, Lavezzi, Felipe
Anderson
Best RW’s: Messi, Robben, Bale, Hulk, Candreva
Good RW’s: Arda Turan, Willian, Douglas Costa, Berardi
Personal favourites: Nolito, Arda Turan, Robben, Neymar
Workrates: Don’t really matter since you can change personal
instructions. But the best is H/L or H/M.
ST:
Last but not least, in fact, the player that makes or breaks
this formation. As you see, there is a lot of space in the
midfield with this formation. Your ST will be an important
factor in keeping the ball in your opponents half. I think there
are 3 kind of strikers: Target man, Jack of all trades, Fast
striker.
Target Man:
@BlitzersNL wrote a great guide for this:
HTML http://fifaforums.easports.com/en/discussion/81517/the-ultimate-targetman-guide/p1
I will cover it in short. A Target Man is big, strong and has
good at heading. He is great in holding the ball and I
personally think this is the most effective ST for this
formation. Ibrahimovic is the best target man in my opinion.
Jack of all Trades:
A ST that just has it all, I think Lewandowski is a great
example.
Fast striker:
A quick striker can be really dangerous, but since we are
looking for possession play, we need someone who kan hold on to
the ball for a while and I personally think Aguero who is a
fantastic example won’t do the job.
Best ST’s: Ibra, Suarez, Lewandowski, Aduriz, Martinez,
Good ST’s: Cavani, Benzema, Jovetic, Lukaku
Favourite ST’s: Ibra by a country mile, he is amazing in this
formation. Ofcourse Suarez and Lewandowski are great too.
Workrates: H/M or M/L work best, M/M tends to be everywhere but
on the right spot I feel. And H/H can work if you use Muller or
Rooney for example.
4. Custom tactics and player instructions
I copied the playing style of Barcelona and Bayern, so I
actually use their custom tactics, because they work very well.
They are very similar.
Barcelona CT:
35 / 44 / FF
36 / 49 / 56 / FF
61 / 65 / 65 / C
As you see, there is slow buildup play with short passing and
high pressure which allows you to keep playing high up the
pitch.
Bayern CT:
45 / 30 / FF
29 / 30 / 22 / FF
72 / 53 / 59 / C
A little bit different, but I suggest you try both and see what
fits. If you don’t like both, tweak them to your own
preferences. I personally use Barcelona’s CT and it just works
great.
Player instructions:
This is where you can mess up a lot actually. I have tried a lot
of different settings and they never really worked for me. I
always try to keep everything standard as possible, to stay
unpredictable. I will change things because of a players
workrates etc.
I think player instructions are a great tool to get the maximum
out of a player and you should change them accordingly. For
example you should not set Ibra on get in behind, because he
isn’t that kind of striker. If you put target man on him, I
promise you he will be 10 times better.
This is what I use now:
CB: Standard
LB/RB: Always overlap
CDM: Stay back while attacking
CM’s: Standard
LW/RW: Get in behind
ST: Stay central, Target man
I put my fullbacks on always overlap, because I think they are
of great value while attacking. Don’t be afraid of counter
attacks, because the beautiful thing is that they will help
pressing in your opponents half as well. If your opponent
counters you, there will still be 3 players in the back: CB’s +
CDM. I just try to defend with them and in the meanwhile drag my
LB or RB back.
CDM on stay back is pretty standard I guess, it doesn’t really
help, because they still bomb forward like idiots, but when on
stay back they won’t do it that much and if they do it they
score for me most of the times.
Wingers on get in behind, just makes them more dangerous. If you
use a M/L winger or a M/M I’d suggest you put them on stay
forward.
Striker is on target man, because I use Aduriz and I like him to
stay central as he is not that fast. If you use Suarez for
example or Lewandowski, just leave everything on standard
instructions.
5. Conclusion
Well guys this is it. I had a lot of fun writing this. If you
have any questions, just ask them and I will answer you asap. It
would be nice to see what squads you guys are using, but if you
want I can build you one.
I do strongly advise you to experiment with this and not to give
up in the first 20 games. The learning curve is hard, but once
you get the hang of it, you can ‘play beautiful’ and in my
opinion that’s how football should be, it will make the game a
lot more fun.
Squad I’m currently using:
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: TheBalbyBuddha Date: January 1, 2016, 2:52 pm
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Teams i have been using
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: Cuz Date: January 1, 2016, 4:25 pm
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Well what the hell, I'll have a go at this. Please note, I did
not apply the hunter and shadow cards, nor did I pay more for
the players concerned. Actually tempted to change them :D
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Never really liked 433 but I only had to buy 4 players to sort
my 2 squads out, Jordi Alba switching over and needing replacing
for the time being. Kono, Vela, Benatia and Gaya coming in for
about 7k. Just noticed I could use Pedro instead on the left. 5*
WF, hmmm.
What's the trouble with 4231 post patch BB?
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: TheBalbyBuddha Date: January 1, 2016, 5:20 pm
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[quote author=Cuz link=topic=346.msg32592#msg32592
date=1451687102]
What's the trouble with 4231 post patch BB?
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the 2 CDM's just were never in the game and found the wide CAM's
were dropping back too far couldn't get outta defense
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: TWS001 Date: January 1, 2016, 5:34 pm
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433(2) was my favourite formation last year on 15. Started using
it around TOTS time and had teams in it until the end of the
game. Started with it on one of my first teams on 16 but didn't
like it as much.
In the past week or so, started using it again and got promoted
to Division 3 first go with it. It felt like it did on 15 again.
Really balanced and good in defence and better than it looks in
attack.
I think the way 15 played , a CDM was very important to a
successful team. Since the patch this is true again on 16. In
attack, it's similar to the false 9 in that the two CM's
contribute a lot to the attack and are more dangerous and get
more goals than they seem to in a 433(4) where they can
sometimes do little and get lost a bit, not attacking or
defending. Also found that a big strong striker that can hold
the ball up is way more useful than a small quick striker in
this formation.
I will be very likely making a 433(2) for my next cup team,
after a 4321 with IF Podolski was built insteadof a 433(2) that
was my other option.
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: Cuz Date: January 1, 2016, 5:51 pm
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2 games in and I think I hate it. Can't see where the possession
comes from and losing the ball leaves me absolutely wide open.
Never had problems with CDMs not being involved in 4231 myself,
they're key players for me. True the CAMs aren't always advanced
enough but building with the CDMs gets them in. This year the
CAMs are more playmakers than finishers tbh.
In fact, so uncomfortable have I been with it in those 2 games,
I just ditched it.
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: SherlockH Date: January 2, 2016, 12:08 pm
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Good looking teams BB, how is sif Long and arnautovic?
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: TheBalbyBuddha Date: January 2, 2016, 1:00 pm
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[quote author=SherlockH link=topic=346.msg32602#msg32602
date=1451758117]
Good looking teams BB, how is sif Long and arnautovic?
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Love Long has 11 in 5 now, like Tevez with heading ;D some
great finishes with both left and right. Arnautovic not so much
didn't get into the right areas for this formation but might
work in others have changed him out for Sterling :-[ but he
fits 4-3-3 (2) so much better.
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: TheBalbyBuddha Date: January 2, 2016, 1:06 pm
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[quote author=Cuz link=topic=346.msg32595#msg32595
date=1451692308]
2 games in and I think I hate it. Can't see where the possession
comes from and losing the ball leaves me absolutely wide open.
Never had problems with CDMs not being involved in 4231 myself,
they're key players for me. True the CAMs aren't always advanced
enough but building with the CDMs gets them in. This year the
CAMs are more playmakers than finishers tbh.
In fact, so uncomfortable have I been with it in those 2 games,
I just ditched it.
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Cuz you have to stick with it get used to it but then again
4-3-2-1 was always a favorite of mine
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Re: 4-3-3 (2) Guide
By: Cuz Date: January 2, 2016, 1:18 pm
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I always liked 4321 as well, have a bronze team in it this year.
Obviously don't get to use it much.
Did a spectacularly bad job of sticking with it I'm afraid. Had
them in rotation with my B side, still 4231 and a continually
reliable group, more so than my A side. So getting used to it
was an issue, with every other game being almost second nature
and a win.
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