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       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: OfficerJimLahey
       Date: November 17, 2014, 8:28 am
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       Surely the servers cant keep getting worse every year >:( Why do
       they refuse to upgrade them? It makes no sense.
       I quite like 2 on 2's as well, can be a good laugh but ive found
       that it can be hard to get a game at times on PES. Sometimes
       have to wait for others to join the lobby.
       I hated those sweat games on fifa, so tedious ::). I have found
       that even in defeat on PES I can still feel like I played well,
       or I know that I got absolutely battered lol. I tend to get what
       I deserve, I have thrown away 3 goal leads but its because I
       bottled it :-[ I could feel myself making poor decisions and
       being impatient. There is still frustration in the game (its
       football after all) but the frustration is with yourself and not
       the game. When you are confident and in the zone everything is
       perfect, when you are nervy though it really reflects on the way
       you play. You know you have fluffed a shot before you have even
       hit it as it didn't feel right. Over all its a rewarding game, I
       cant wait until ive mastered it ;D
       #Post#: 27504--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: OfficerJimLahey
       Date: November 17, 2014, 8:39 am
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       MY CLUB
       The best way to describe it is like fifa ultimate team world cup
       last year. There is no market and it is very much pack only so
       to speak. Instead off packs you hire agents for a chance of
       getting a good player. You get one player at a time and it is
       random, although the chances of getting top players is much
       higher than UT. Ive not spent any money and I already have reus
       and RVP. You can select agents with different specialties eg.
       GK, DEF, MID, FWD. You also get agent for free after each game
       but the chances of getting someone good are remote. I think the
       agents improve as you advance through the divisions and become
       more specialised eg. DM, possession player, French players etc
       The chemistry (team spirit) its governed by the players link to
       the managers way of doing things. My RVP has a perfect fit to my
       manager whereas reus hasn't. Over a number of games the
       relationship with the manager grows though and team spirit
       increases.
       It looks like a great mode and the difference between say Ibarbo
       and RVP is massive. Top class players are a different grade but
       they cost much more in contracts. RVP costs 3150 GP for 10 games
       whereas a 75 rated player will cost 1000 for 10 games. Its about
       finding the balance between superstars and decent players that
       will do a job.
       Im really enjoying it atm. I like the random aspect as there are
       so many unique players to use. Not sure id like the random
       aspect as much if it was on UT as 90% of players are quite
       generic but on PES there is so much variety. :)
       #Post#: 27511--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: KoolKiwi
       Date: November 17, 2014, 6:51 pm
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       Had some time. Watched this & backs up what Jim's been saying:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_tbtpSMYRs
       I actually appreciate the FUTHead Youtube stuff at times.
       #Post#: 27517--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: OfficerJimLahey
       Date: November 18, 2014, 4:47 pm
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       Pretty much agree with everything he said. The gameplay is
       unbelievably good. I haven't enjoyed a football game this much
       for years ;D
       #Post#: 27518--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: KoolKiwi
       Date: November 18, 2014, 5:26 pm
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       I think I'll wait for a few months, hope the hype builds (read
       "more local purchases") and pick it up cheaply given most people
       are so addicted to FIFA.
       Hopefully get it earlier with some Christmas/Boxing Day sales.
       #Post#: 27519--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: OfficerJimLahey
       Date: November 18, 2014, 6:34 pm
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       Yea it would be good if you can get it on the cheap. I'd try the
       demo first though. Its difficult to like straight away because
       you wont know the mechanics of the game etc. Once a bit of time
       has been invested the rewards are endless.
       Here is an IGN review as well if you are interested 9/10 :o
  HTML http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/11/14/pro-evolution-soccer-2015-review
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       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: guest15
       Date: November 19, 2014, 2:35 am
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       very interesting news, that will be just good for us, the
       consumers, hope pes gets better and better ...
       #Post#: 27558--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: KoolKiwi
       Date: November 21, 2014, 5:32 pm
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       Ok, so the kid downloaded the PES 2015 demo whilst I was away.
       Switched on last night when I was back & yes, I was a little
       tired & probably not in the best frame of mind to attempt
       another football game (new controls, etc).
       Spent a few minutes resolving the small issues re: controls,
       then got into a game - me vs kid.
       There are definitely some aspects that I know I will like - for
       instance, the very specific power bars on passing/through balls.
       The game play appears fluid at times and is very playable in
       that sense.
       But ... well, actually ... BUT ....
       It does not look good at all! Certain animations are incredibly
       poor - even cartoonish at times, e.g. GK throws are ... just
       plain funny, collisions (via slide tackles) are weird with the
       player "hopping up".
       Sorry, but all round the game is "fugly" compared to FIFA. I can
       only imagine the number of developers that EA throw at their
       game - obviously completely stupid at times in areas where it's
       not needed/warranted. FIFA looks incredibly realistic at
       times.Yes, there are weird things that happen, but overall the
       game is very impressive, when aligned to what Konami have.
       PES 2015 looks like it's 4/5 years old - maybe even more. Now,
       please note that I have been playing FIFA since the '96 version
       on PC & have owned nearly all their releases - hardly ever
       really played PES.
       Please note that my opinions will not be a 'PES-fanboy' one, but
       more from a FIFA-fanboy perspective.
       Sorry Jim. Will be giving this one a skip
       #Post#: 27566--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: gladiatorrrrrr
       Date: November 22, 2014, 7:12 am
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       I had the same experience Kiwi when I was playing it over and
       over again during the GAMESCOM this year. It just didn't feel
       right. Could be that yiou are so used to FIFA tho. It is just a
       matte rof getting adjusted to it....
       for me the decision was clear: FIFA15
       #Post#: 27574--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PES vs Fifa - PES review added
   DIR By: KoolKiwi
       Date: November 22, 2014, 2:22 pm
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       Correct ... "it just didn't feel right".
       Unfortunately for PES, FIFA is a major step up visually. Right
       now, the biggest problem is EA servers. But, if I choose to play
       mid-week games I have some (small) control over the experience.
       We know the community will always be the community. They will
       find flaws - full stop. Regardless of whatever game it is.
       So, like you Glad, it is FIFA 15.
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