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Alex Crawford listed as a subsitute in an 1893 match?
By: Simon-613 Date: September 22, 2020, 5:43 pm
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Another historical query from me as I look back at the early
internationals that Ireland played.
In the match against England on 25/02/1893, this website
HTML https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-7DayJCeJXcb05yQ0RwMm9rajQ/edit<br
/> , shows Alex Crawford as having made an appearance as a
substitute, replacing Robert Stewart. However, I thought subs in
international football didn't start for many years thereafter?
Wonder if anyone can confirm if Crawford was our 1st sub or
whether the listing is an error?
I did cross reference against
HTML http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/09/alex-crawford.html
which
has Crawford listed as having played in that match but which
makes no reference to him having come on as a sub ...
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Re: Alex Crawford listed as a subsitute in an 1893 match?
By: jcd Date: September 23, 2020, 8:08 am
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HTML http://englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1892-93/M0047Ire1893.html
Can't find any mention of a sub. Accoriding to the above (which
my stats agree with) Thanny McKeown didn't start this match and
Crawford did.
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Re: Alex Crawford listed as a subsitute in an 1893 match?
By: RaveDave Date: September 23, 2020, 2:08 pm
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[quote author=Simon-613 link=topic=144.msg944#msg944
date=1600814628]
Another historical query from me as I look back at the early
internationals that Ireland played.
In the match against England on 25/02/1893, this website
HTML https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-7DayJCeJXcb05yQ0RwMm9rajQ/edit<br
/> , shows Alex Crawford as having made an appearance as a
substitute, replacing Robert Stewart. However, I thought subs in
international football didn't start for many years thereafter?
Wonder if anyone can confirm if Crawford was our 1st sub or
whether the listing is an error?
I did cross reference against
HTML http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/09/alex-crawford.html
which
has Crawford listed as having played in that match but which
makes no reference to him having come on as a sub ...
[/quote]
I think the person/people behind that pdf seemed to be
highlighting that as a query, but used the same format as they
use for subs, there were no subs allowed in 1893, my records
have Crawford as playing in the game and McKeown not involved.
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Re: Alex Crawford listed as a subsitute in an 1893 match?
By: EalingGreen Date: September 24, 2020, 9:26 am
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[quote author=Simon-613 link=topic=144.msg944#msg944
date=1600814628]
In the match against England on 25/02/1893, this website
HTML https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-7DayJCeJXcb05yQ0RwMm9rajQ/edit<br
/> , shows Alex Crawford as having made an appearance as a
substitute, replacing Robert Stewart. However, I thought subs in
international football didn't start for many years thereafter?
Wonder if anyone can confirm if Crawford was our 1st sub or
whether the listing is an error?
[/quote]
The Rules as they stood simply would not have permitted Crawford
to come on as a Substitute during the game.
My guess is that he was a Replacement i.e. the selectors
originally called up eleven players as normal, but Stewart had
to drop out before the game for some reason, meaning Crawford
was called up in his place.
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Re: Alex Crawford listed as a subsitute in an 1893 match?
By: Simon-613 Date: September 24, 2020, 6:15 pm
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Thanks everyone for helping clear that one up.
I knew that substitutes generally weren't allowed until much
much later but wondered if it could have been a rare exception
similar to the substitution that Wales made in a match in 1889.
Quite an interesting story of how Sam Gillam became the 1st ever
sub in an international game
HTML https://medium.com/whatahowler/the-first-substitution-in-international-football-96fc44c7eb58
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Re: Alex Crawford listed as a subsitute in an 1893 match?
By: NISTATS Date: September 28, 2020, 4:52 pm
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I have double checked with newspaper reports at the time and as
stated Crawford started the game.
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