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Gifted Education
By: forbitals Date: January 22, 2021, 2:31 pm
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Rogers, Karen B
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Re: Gifted Education
By: forbitals Date: February 2, 2021, 2:40 pm
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I read these, they make 1000x more sense than anything the
Autism/Asperger's Industry has ever put out. Some school
environments are abusive, some parents have a deep need to find
within their child the locus or original sin.
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Re: Gifted Education
By: forbitals Date: March 4, 2021, 2:14 pm
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John Geake
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Re: Gifted Education
By: forbitals Date: February 15, 2022, 1:52 pm
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Genius Denied, by Jan and Bob Davidson, 2004
Now I read this and it seems like it must be written by Jan. So
I tend to refer to the author as 'she'.
She is consistent with the other voices in the Gifted Movement.
Some of these voices I like, some I do not, and there are still
large areas I an unclear about.
Comparted with the other GM voices, she is more critical about
the focus on athletics in primary and secondary schools. Other
GM voices don't want to take this kind of a position because for
some GM, athletics is their forte.
She is more openly critical of peer culture and of the kinds of
things they talk about, than most GM voices are. And then she
is focused on the Extremely Gifted, which is probably IQ > 145,
and about 0.1 to 0.7% of the population.
Now some people are critical of the Gifted Movement and they
don't want any special accommodations in schools. They
definitely don't want much money spend there. But in the GM
they compare it to Special Education, where a huge amount of
money is spent.
Like all educators, she does not like George W. Bush's No Child
Left Behind. But Bush did appropriate a huge amount of money
for Special Ed. For CA this is over $900,000,000.
She considers pull out programs and enrichment times to be
completely inadequate. And trying to restrict a Gifted Child to
grade level work is completely ridiculous, as it is to expect
them to be tutoring other children after they have finished
their assignments. And she doesn't really like having just
independent study time either. So she wants special classes,
often college level classes. She wants Gifted Children to have
access to college classes.
She also notes that some Universities have 4 week summer
programs, having gifted children reside in their dormitories and
attend special classes. This gives them the chance to learn
something more, and especially to be with intellectual peers.
And for many this is what they live for, this is the only time
in a year which they get this.
I keep reading her because I want to know if there is anything
else she says, anything outside the usual gifted movement
envelop.
There is one thing already, she lists some of the published
detractors and tries to refute them
For example:
Sapon-Shevin, Mara, "Playing Favorites: Gifted Education and the
Disruption of Community", 1994
And then some who take issue with the GIfted Movement are taking
issue with the amount of tracking in schools. And I would
interject that in much of Europe and throughout Latin America
and I think in Japan, the tracking is much more extreme.
So there has been conflict with ACORN who objects to the three
public "exam schools" in NYC, Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Tech, and
Bronx Science.
And then arguing against tracking and effectively against the
Gifted Movement we have:
Wheelock, Anne, "Crossing the Tracks: How "Untracking" Can Save
America's Schools" 1980
And then of most interest arguing against tracking:
Oakes, Jeannie, "Keeping Track: How Schools Structure
Inequality" 1985
And then writing specifically about a court ordered detracking
in San Jose CA, Oakes also writes:
Oakes, Jeannie, Kevin Welner, and Susan Yonezawa, "Mandating
Equity: A Case Study of Court-Ordered Detracking in the San Jose
Schools (Berkeley: California Policy Seminar's Policy Research
Program, 1998)
I am going to avail myself of as much of the above counter
material as I can. I want to understand it.
I would say that the Davidson's and other voices in the Gifted
Movement are trying to say that they are talking about children
who are so far beyond the norm, that these tracks don't really
apply. But the GM Is still going to interact with the issues
over tracking. I have mixed feelings about this myself.
These kinds of issues relate to the views of our two major
political parties too. And some in the GM, like the Davidsons,
do seem tied to Republican views. But others that I like more
do seem tied more to Democrats. But again, this is still
supposedly about children who are so far out there, that these
political tents might not really apply.
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Here on page 178, the Davidsons offer advice to parents, "What
Parents Can Do"
"Assure your child that it is okay to be different. Highly
intelligent children often feel disconnected from their
classmates and other age peers. To learn about how gifted
children develop friendships, visit the Parent section of:"
HTML https://www.davidsongifted.org/about-us/our-founders/genius-denied/
This is good:
HTML https://www.davidsongifted.org/prospective-families/gifted-traits-and-characteristics/
HTML https://www.davidsongifted.org/prospective-families/social-emotional-resources/
That's okay though. We can disregard this and still do it Icey
and Nicespice's way. Stamp "Suspected Neurodivergent" in red on
a child's school records. And then Icey and Nicespice are
designing a suitable Neurodivergent Internment Camp Tag.
SJG
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Re: Gifted Education
By: forbitals Date: February 16, 2022, 1:55 pm
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So continuing with:
Genius Denied, by Jan and Bob Davidson, 2004
Their bibliography is long and it includes most of the voices in
the Gifted Movement. And it is interesting to me that this
movement, with its multiple publishing companies and numerous
journals, for the most part is in a high degree of agreement.
So I want to list some of these voice here:
Gifted Movement voices I like:
Barbara Clark
Barbara Kerr
Nicholas Colangelo
Felice Kaufmann ( in Alabama)
James Curtis Gowan (was at what would become CSU Northridge)
Linda Silverman
James T. Webb (much of his work is in response to a prominent
teen suicide)
Joanne Rand Whitmore
Gifted Movement voices I do not like:
Sally M. Reis
Sylvia Rimm
Karen B. Rogers (Minnesota, St. Thomas University)
Lewis Terman
Gifted Movement voices I have not yet read, but plan to:
Susan Assouline
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Deirdre V. Lovecky
Rena F. Subotnik
Stephanie Tolan
Leta Hollingworth
Victor and Mildred G. Goertzel (1962)
Miraca Gross
And Also of Note
Harold Bloom
Howard Gardner
Richard Hofstader, "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life 1962
Diane Ratvitch (education expert from Houston, strong opponent
of No Child Left Behind)
John Vasconcelles (retired CA State Senator, known for focusing
on the concept of self-esteem in education, something the Right
and some voices in the Gifted Movement take exception to)
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vasconcellos
And on page 62 the Davidson's say,
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Gifted kids are acutely aware that they are different. The most
confident ones shrug it off, but more wonder "What's wrong with
me?" This question rarely leads to a positive self-concept.
The more precocious the child, the worse the disconnect becomes.
The most highly gifted face what gifted education's Miraca
Gross calls a "forced-choice dilemma": achevement or friendship.
Gifted children often hide their intelligence to blend in.
Those who choose achievement must learn to live with having only
a few good friends, who tend to be several years older. ...
Many radically accelerated gifted children discover that being
years younger than classmates makes them less strange than being
years older intellectually.
But we can just disregard this and listen to
"Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity" advocate John Elder Robison,
"They don't owe you an accomodation", as he is getting strapped
in for his next zap from the transcranial magnet.
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Re: Gifted Education
By: forbitals Date: June 23, 2022, 4:24 pm
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Want to know how people used to think about things and they used
to talk about things? Then you have to read the old books.
The Education and Guidance of the Ablest
John Curtis Gowan and George D. Demos
Charles C. Thomas Publisher, Springfield Illinois (1964)
500 pages on surprisingly thick paper
Gowan taught at what would become CSU Northridge and Demos
taught at what would become CSU Long Beach
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