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       Reply about the new manual
   DIR By: forbitals
       Date: July 3, 2019, 2:28 pm
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       I agree with @mental.
       We don't need to watch the biomedical psychiatrists and the
       psychologists fight over market share.
       The compassion and empathy of a psychotherapist is powerful.  It
       reaches all the way out to the most dusty corners of their
       office.  But then it goes no further.
       Living without public honor is very painful, because one is
       marginalized and vulnerable.  But a psychotherapist has taken on
       the job of convincing people that they should live without
       making any attempts to restore their public honor.  Rather they
       are to believe that all of their pain and difficulties in living
       spring from things which happened long long ago.  And then
       still, they should make no attempts at redress.
       The therapist needs this, because that allows them to protect
       their own denial systems.  What a cool set up, earning a living
       by abusing other survivors, by making them believe lies, so that
       the therapist can maintain their own denial systems.
       And the more you tell your therapist, the less defensible space
       you have.
       Fortunately we now have attorneys who are suing Psychotherapists
       over this, Transference Abuse.
       Psychotherapy runs on the same logic that the middle-class
       family uses to psychically scar and maim children, the
       Self-Reliance Ethic, and it's all For Your Own Good.  Whereas
       the parents might have been using an out of date edition of the
       pedagogy manual, your Psychotherapist will have the newest
       edition.  It talks about empathy, nurturing, attachment, and
       communications skills.  And it's just like Rousseau's Emile,
       teaching parents how to manipulate and exploit children, by
       making it feel like what is happening is actually under their
       control, as it is for their own good.
       Psychotherapy is pedagogy.  And the idea is that when completed,
       you will practice the same denial systems, believe the same
       lies, and worship the same idols as all the normals.
       No we do not need this, and we do not want this on this forum.
       Nothing in R.W.'s books ever legitimates psychotherapy or
       recovery.
       #Post#: 72--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Reply about the new manual
   DIR By: forbitals
       Date: July 6, 2019, 3:23 pm
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       Lucy Johnstone, why do you think anyone would go along with
       this, let you open your new manual and label them? You are
       preying on survivors, because no one who has not already been
       severely abused would submit to you.
       All you are doing is replacing the Biomedical model with a Moral
       Superiority – Self Improvement Model.
       You’re trying to make people surrender any and all efforts a
       restoring their public honor.
       The state licenses people like you, because you get people to
       submit, and to stop fighting back.
       So as I am understanding the later writings of Foucault, the
       state used to have to use the threat of execution to control
       people.
       But now, not necessary. And then think about the people who have
       gone with psychotherapy, recovery, and salvation religion. They
       are completely passive. No need to brandish the threat of
       execution with them. They can be controlled very easily simply
       by withholding from them the permission to die.
       And as long as there are financial and status incentives, we
       will continue trying to replace the Biomedical model with the
       Morally Superior and Self-Improvement model.
       Our state licenses Psychotherapists and Recovery Programs to
       keep survivors from ever trying to fight back.
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       Re: Reply about the new manual
   DIR By: forbitals
       Date: July 8, 2019, 4:09 pm
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       Promoting a Moral Improvement - FYOG model, over the Biomedical
       model is just a way of continuing to target survivors for more
       abuse.
       Survivors need to learn to fight back in the here and now, and
       accept none of these models of defect, and sto settle for
       nothing other than penalties for perpetrators, and reparations
       for survivors.
       The PTMF is just the latest in an ongoing campaign to press
       survivors into life without public honor.  And we have already
       seen so many cases where this results in suicide.
       We must organize survivors into teams who will fight back.
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