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       Feminism
   DIR By: forbitals
       Date: June 6, 2019, 5:38 pm
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       No I don't agree with everything every feminist says or does,
       but no one person is in charge of it.  There is not a long
       history of disparity and plurality within it.
       Modern Feminism started in the 1880's, focused on getting the
       vote.
       The second wave is after WW2, and the foundational work is
       usually seen as:
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Sex
       If you want to know what it was like before feminism, read
       Marilyn French.
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Women%27s_Room
       I've read much of the book, and I had gotten my wife to read it.
       Watched this on television and was completely blown away.
  HTML https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081771/
       French being interviewed
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtvhLsxpRRI
       Watching on television, the early parts where Mira is in
       college, and then married to the doctor Norm, it for the first
       time showed me how insane it was the world that the women of my
       mother's generation had to live in.  Their complaints finally
       got through my thick skull
       We need far more feminism, not less.
       Very good book:
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       Re: Feminism
   DIR By: forbitals
       Date: June 10, 2019, 5:47 pm
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       Feminism is very important.  You can't argue against it without
       being against both men and women.
       Michael Kimmel, sounds good so far.
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zCNaMU1UUY
       Wanted to read some of his books for a long time.
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kimmel
       read this first
       Guyland : the perilous world where boys become men / Michael
       Kimmel. (2008)
       Now I don't know if Kimmel ever goes into railing against porn,
       strip clubs, or the sex biz.  I he does, of course I will not
       agree with with him.  And plenty of pro-sex feminists who won't
       either.
       I actually see the sex biz as compensating for the ways sex is
       made contingent on wealth and power in other venues.
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       Re: Feminism
   DIR By: forbitals
       Date: June 10, 2019, 6:02 pm
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       I had heard of this John Gottman before. Michael Kimmel endorses
       him.
       www.youtube.com
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