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#Post#: 293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
DIR By: Ultra
Date: March 29, 2017, 2:27 am
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--- Quote from: Wizard link ---
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> Dude, what the fck are you talking about. Who spoke about afk
shield skill.
> Is it so hard to understand that you are abusing blast-shield
skill?
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--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Wizard link ---
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> Hi after some tests today with dethroned i saw that i can kill
him if he dont shield skill.
> Once he starts shield skill he becomes unkillable.
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As you can see your initial problem was that MG was unkillable
while shielding, so I proved you wrong and you went offtopic
with the whining. You never actually wrote that your problem was
the sheild+blast combo (which i never used in PVP btw). Yes I
did shield but the abuse is sheild-comet-shield-comet-shield
x100, while what I did was comet for 5 seconds, shield for 5
seconds how is that abuse? I also know Dethroned did that,but
his build was dependant on that strategy and it wasn't banned.
--- Quote from: Ares link ---
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> After a lot of tests versus all classes and many builds MGs
from now on cannot use shield skill at any PvP Event. Throughout
the whole test, we tried MG with every possible build both stats
wise and set wise was able to ruin our balance system and win
the classes by "abusing" the blast and shield skill. This could
be prevented if we moved unicorn to 4th Ascendancy and remove
thunder at all. Sadly we didn't see it coming so this rule will
be applied only on PvP Events.
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience caused but MG is indeed trully
overpowered as Wizard mentioned.
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> Website rules Updated and thanks Wizard for the feedback.
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What if MG won't abuse the blast+shield skill? Why not just ban
the abuse? Aka the 1 second shiled+1 second comet over and over
again.
If the problem is the comet spell, because of its delay then
what if MG will use flame? Or if MG would not be allowed to
shield for less than 3 seconds for example. What is the reason
to ban the sheild skill overall?
#Post#: 294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
DIR By: ares
Date: March 29, 2017, 11:13 am
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--- Quote from: Ultra link ---
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> What if MG won't abuse the blast+shield skill? Why not just
ban the abuse? Aka the 1 second shiled+1 second comet over and
over again.
> If the problem is the comet spell, because of its delay then
what if MG will use flame? Or if MG would not be allowed to
shield for less than 3 seconds for example. What is the reason
to ban the sheild skill overall?
>
--- End Quote ---
You ask me a reason while there is a post above that explains
the reason. Balance was built without shield skill, by using the
shield skill or by abusing with blast or flame or other skills
you are ruining the system we spent 500+ PvPs to build. We are
not going to make special rules like "You can shield with flame"
"You can't shield with comet"
MGs are free to use everything exept shield skill. Plus in our
tests MG even without shield skill got the best score overall.
Shield skill is not allowed on PvP events and thats a fact.
#Post#: 295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
DIR By: Ultra
Date: March 29, 2017, 11:38 am
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--- Quote from: Ares link ---
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> [quote author=Ultra link=topic=95.msg293#msg293
date=1490772422]
> What if MG won't abuse the blast+shield skill? Why not just
ban the abuse? Aka the 1 second shiled+1 second comet over and
over again.
> If the problem is the comet spell, because of its delay then
what if MG will use flame? Or if MG would not be allowed to
shield for less than 3 seconds for example. What is the reason
to ban the sheild skill overall?
>
--- End Quote ---
You ask me a reason while there is a post above that explains
the reason. Balance was built without shield skill, by using the
shield skill or by abusing with blast or flame or other skills
you are ruining the system we spent 500+ PvPs to build. We are
not going to make special rules like "You can shield with flame"
"You can't shield with comet"
MGs are free to use everything exept shield skill. Plus in our
tests MG even without shield skill got the best score overall.
Shield skill is not allowed on PvP events and thats a fact.
[/quote]
Look Ares the fact that you ban the sheild skill is fine by me,
I have never relied on it, never used it in two pvp events and
never abused it outside of it. But if you gonna ban the sheild
skill for the reason of "comet delay abuse", why not just ban
the comet abuse itself and not the skill? Because then you have
no argument for not banning shield skill overall in pvp (aka
forbid BK to use it as well). Also there are legit ways to
benefit from using skill, which have nothing to do with comet or
any other attack spell.
About the "there is a post above that explains the reason":
There are posts above that explain many inconsistencies about
what Wizard wrote and solid arguments by me that were ignored,
but zero posts about the actual reason.
#Post#: 296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
DIR By: Wizard
Date: March 29, 2017, 12:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Ultra link ---
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> Look Ares the fact that you ban the sheild skill is fine by
me, I have never relied on it, never used it in two pvp events
and never abused it outside of it. But if you gonna ban the
sheild skill for the reason of "comet delay abuse", why not just
ban the comet abuse itself and not the skill? Because then you
have no argument for not banning shield skill overall in pvp
(aka forbid BK to use it as well). Also there are legit ways to
benefit from using skill, which have nothing to do with comet or
any other attack spell.
> About the "there is a post above that explains the reason":
There are posts above that explain many inconsistencies about
what Wizard wrote and solid arguments by me that were ignored,
but zero posts about the actual reason.
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--- End Quote ---
looooooooool ofc you rely on it ofc you use it and ofc you will
make ares repeat himself because he already told you its not the
abuse its the skill itself haha
the rest you type are just repeat of previous words and the
reason is that breaks pvp balance! lol
Even admin have communication issues with you.You want to keep
this op char of yours and win everyone
The fact that blood was able to touch you by winning 3 out of 10
with the most anti-MG build proves it all
the fact that SM is useless with the best set/wings/weapons vs
MG when he is using shield proves it all
for the love of god stop being greedy and let the other classes
have fun too
#Post#: 297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
DIR By: Ultra
Date: March 29, 2017, 12:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Wizard link ---
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> looooooooool ofc you rely on it ofc you use it
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Where and when other than that last set of PVPs vs Blood, which
lasted 5 mins, have I used the shield skill? Make sure you reply
to that question Wizard.
Wizard I already said I have no problem of it being banned, I
have problem of the inconsistency of the reasoning. At first the
problem was that it makes MG being unkillable - wrong!. Then you
say that it allows the comet spell abuse because of delay -
correct (and I agree it breaks PVP, but only comet can be abused
like this). However the first reason is still wrong. And last
point - why is BK still allowed to use it then? And what about
str MG?
You call me greedy because I look to close out the thread with a
proper end to conversation and aguments? How old are you Wizard?
I didnt change anything about me before the 2nd event, knowing
very well that i will lose to Blood with my current stats and
set (I did hope that extra hp from set will be enough to barely
survive the reflect, but greedy person never relies on hope
right Wizard?).
#Post#: 298--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
DIR By: ares
Date: March 29, 2017, 1:14 pm
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I think you are not reading what im posting. Look what i just
typed:
--- Quote from: Ares link ---
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> "Balance was built without shield skill, by using the shield
skill or by abusing"
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I just said it's not just the abuse it's the WHOLE shielding
skill factor that causes troubles.
Also i mentioned that MG is already stronger than other classes
even without shield skill and you still want to argue about
banning some particular strategies with shield.
So let me get this right, i explained you that shield skill is
making so MG so strong that he can kill all the builds even
without Unicorn.
He can even counter the best builds against MG with shield skill
from ALL classes.
I explained that MG is stronger than the other classes overall
without this shield skill. And you still insist to rethink my
decision. Let's get serious please.
From my point of view i can crearly see that you rely on shield
skill and you don't want it out.
--- Quote from: Ultra link ---
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> "zero posts about the actual reason"
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For the last time, SHIELD SKILL ON MG ruins the balance system
between classes. Thats the reason, dont make me say it for the
3rd time :)
As for BK we tested his shield skill VS MG and he failed (
Actually is bad for him to use shield skill )
The only benefit BK has was to survive longer versus elf, which
we found out that the damage is more than his potion recovery so
he still dies.
Naturally ELF win bk and the shield skill just delays the
process. If something unbalanced will happen with BK we shall
ban his ability to use shield too.
The only flaw in the system is MG and now it is fixed.
Topic is locked and resolved
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