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#Post#: 280--------------------------------------------------
Shield Skill on MG
By: Wizard Date: March 27, 2017, 1:04 pm
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Hi after some tests today with dethroned i saw that i can kill
him if he dont shield skill.
Once he starts shield skill he becomes unkillable. If shield
skill is allowed on MG allow teleport on SM.
Its not fair for anyone. He uses blast and shield and because
blast has delay he is not taking any damage.
This ruins balance and makes MG the best class. The point is
everyone to kill everyone.
So my suggestions are:
1) Remove shield skills
2) Add rule for pvp events
3) Allow SM to use tele
mg are broken now and there is absolute no balance between mg
and other classes because of shield.
rest classes are nice. MG is overall broken:
1) He can run since 1 lvl
2) He can tp faster
3) He can lvl up faster
4) He gets more points
5) He can use all sets
6) He is the most op in pvp
Seriously? :-[
#Post#: 281--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: Ultra Date: March 27, 2017, 1:29 pm
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[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg280#msg280
date=1490637889]
Hi after some tests today with dethroned i saw that i can kill
him if he dont shield skill.
Once he starts shield skill he becomes unkillable. If shield
skill is allowed on MG allow teleport on SM.
Its not fair for anyone. He uses blast and shield and because
blast has delay he is not taking any damage.
This ruins balance and makes MG the best class. The point is
everyone to kill everyone.
So my suggestions are:
1) Remove shield skills
2) Add rule for pvp events
3) Allow SM to use tele
mg are broken now and there is absolute no balance between mg
and other classes because of shield.
rest classes are nice. MG is overall broken:
1) He can run since 1 lvl
2) He can tp faster
3) He can lvl up faster
4) He gets more points
5) He can use all sets
6) He is the most op in pvp
Seriously? :-[
[/quote]
Only thing i would agree with is to forbid MG from using shield
vs SM in event, but even then this whole issue needs more
testing (btw I never used sheild skill vs you Wizard and still
won every time)
#Post#: 282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: Wizard Date: March 27, 2017, 1:51 pm
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[quote author=Ultra link=topic=95.msg281#msg281 date=1490639340]
[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg280#msg280
date=1490637889]
Hi after some tests today with dethroned i saw that i can kill
him if he dont shield skill.
Once he starts shield skill he becomes unkillable. If shield
skill is allowed on MG allow teleport on SM.
Its not fair for anyone. He uses blast and shield and because
blast has delay he is not taking any damage.
This ruins balance and makes MG the best class. The point is
everyone to kill everyone.
So my suggestions are:
1) Remove shield skills
2) Add rule for pvp events
3) Allow SM to use tele
mg are broken now and there is absolute no balance between mg
and other classes because of shield.
rest classes are nice. MG is overall broken:
1) He can run since 1 lvl
2) He can tp faster
3) He can lvl up faster
4) He gets more points
5) He can use all sets
6) He is the most op in pvp
Seriously? :-[
[/quote]
Only thing i would agree with is to forbid MG from using shield
vs SM in event, but even then this whole issue needs more
testing (btw I never used sheild skill vs you Wizard and still
won every time)
[/quote]
I didn't mention you anywhere. I mentioned an mg who can be
killed by SM as admins balanced the server.
MG atm is OP and he needs to be nerfed. All other classes can be
killed by almost all.
You farm faster than us , you can make any set faster and we
have to struggle in all these sections.
Server needs to be balanced and removing shield skill from MG is
a way to nerf mg so other classes can kill him. Exept if you are
having fun by killing all classes 100-0.
#Post#: 283--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: ares Date: March 27, 2017, 2:29 pm
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[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg280#msg280
date=1490637889]
Hi after some tests today with dethroned i saw that i can kill
him if he dont shield skill.
Once he starts shield skill he becomes unkillable. If shield
skill is allowed on MG allow teleport on SM.
Its not fair for anyone. He uses blast and shield and because
blast has delay he is not taking any damage.
This ruins balance and makes MG the best class. The point is
everyone to kill everyone.
So my suggestions are:
1) Remove shield skills
2) Add rule for pvp events
3) Allow SM to use tele
mg are broken now and there is absolute no balance between mg
and other classes because of shield.
rest classes are nice. MG is overall broken:
1) He can run since 1 lvl
2) He can tp faster
3) He can lvl up faster
4) He gets more points
5) He can use all sets
6) He is the most op in pvp
Seriously? :-[
[/quote]
Hello there,
I see your point but thats how MU works. MG is gifted by mother
nature and we can't change his advantages.
As for PvP and your suggestions :
1) We can't remove shield skills because they are necessary for
Raid Bosses
2) This can happen
3) This can't happen
I will run some tests in our test server with shield skill this
time. Our balance PvP tests were without shield skill and i will
let you know.
For the momment nothing changes. At best case scenario i will
place a rule which prevents MGs from using shield at Events.
#Post#: 286--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: Ultra Date: March 27, 2017, 4:27 pm
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[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg282#msg282
date=1490640706]
Server needs to be balanced and removing shield skill from MG is
a way to nerf mg so other classes can kill him. Exept if you are
having fun by killing all classes 100-0.
[/quote]
So now you are not talking about SM, but other classes overall?
I kill my MG with my AE in 5 seconds while MG is afk shielding.
If you tested with your SM build vs Dethroned keep it in that
domain pls.
Its suspicious that when me and Deth found a way to beat Blood
(it is at LEAST a 50-50 fight now) you come here to cover for
your friend via the pretense that SM can't fight such an MG.
I do agree that such a rule can be placed that in SM vs MG
fight, MG cannot use shield skill (DW's mana shield vs MG's
extra stats as the only balance), however I would like to hear
Ares's testing report first. Cause i'm sure I can build an SM
that can fight MG even if he uses shield.
Instead of saying that in your current stat build you cannot
kill a shielding MG (and automatically BK as well then), you
have to bring about a suggestion to cripple MG as a class.
Also during the event I was in every way much better equipped
and farmed than Blood and I lost to him 3-0. So no we don't beat
every class 100-0
#Post#: 288--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: Wizard Date: March 27, 2017, 8:31 pm
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[quote author=Ultra link=topic=95.msg286#msg286 date=1490650042]
[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg282#msg282
date=1490640706]
Server needs to be balanced and removing shield skill from MG is
a way to nerf mg so other classes can kill him. Exept if you are
having fun by killing all classes 100-0.
[/quote]
So now you are not talking about SM, but other classes overall?
I kill my MG with my AE in 5 seconds while MG is afk shielding.
If you tested with your SM build vs Dethroned keep it in that
domain pls.
Its suspicious that when me and Deth found a way to beat Blood
(it is at LEAST a 50-50 fight now) you come here to cover for
your friend via the pretense that SM can't fight such an MG.
I do agree that such a rule can be placed that in SM vs MG
fight, MG cannot use shield skill (DW's mana shield vs MG's
extra stats as the only balance), however I would like to hear
Ares's testing report first. Cause i'm sure I can build an SM
that can fight MG even if he uses shield.
Instead of saying that in your current stat build you cannot
kill a shielding MG (and automatically BK as well then), you
have to bring about a suggestion to cripple MG as a class.
Also during the event I was in every way much better equipped
and farmed than Blood and I lost to him 3-0. So no we don't beat
every class 100-0
[/quote]
Are you even serious? I had to completely destroy my SM in order
to touch the MGs of server.
I put all my points on agility and spare to energy to make
spider damage some slight HP and i still do MISS.
There is no way AE can kill you sorry, only if you let her hit
you, because you can just kill her with flame and tank with
shield skill. ATM MG is best and ur happy i get it but it's
obvious that he is OP!
Me and blood are friends in real life, you re mentioning the
fact that you lost 3-0.
Why you didnt mention how many times you killed him today?
Ares, MG at the momment can kill any high agility character ( AE
, ASM) any vitality reflector , any possible combination or
build. And even if you put a rule for events they can PK anyone
anywhere for as long as they want.
#Post#: 289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: Ultra Date: March 28, 2017, 3:54 am
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[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg288#msg288
date=1490664715]
I put all my points on agility and spare to energy to make
spider damage some slight HP and i still do MISS.
[/quote]
FACT1: Last time we fought Wizard, with your 4k agi I missed you
as much as you missed me. Stats work as intended
[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg288#msg288
date=1490664715]
There is no way AE can kill you sorry, only if you let her hit
you, because you can just kill her with flame and tank with
shield skill. ATM MG is best and ur happy i get it but it's
obvious that he is OP!
[/quote]
FACT2: You start the thread about SM vs MG matchup is broken
when MG starts using shield, which was legit concern (but as I
said needs more testing cause not all MGs will have +11 set and
+11 shield). You then start to forward-track and imply that MG
skill should be banned in EVERY PVP. Then you even create a
strawman argument that MG is better at levelling, running at lvl
1(LOL), farming items easier and connect it all to your point
about shield vs SM.
Have you even seen good equipped AE fight vs good equipped MG
here? No you haven't, only I have tested it. I have even tested
it past ascendancy vs Dethroned and he can tell you that while
he was a little bit better equipped the matchup was almost
50-50. If MG starts using shield skill vs AE he automatically
loses cause she kills him in 5 seconds using that skill
(tested). It is the hardest matchup for AMG.
[quote author=Wizard link=topic=95.msg288#msg288
date=1490664715]
Me and blood are friends in real life, you re mentioning the
fact that you lost 3-0.
Why you didnt mention how many times you killed him today?
[/quote]
Wiz why aren't you posting that you cannot fight BK at all? Even
without wearing shield.
About me killing Blood many times yesterday. To me it seemed
like I won 7 out of 10 times, and not 100-0 him like you imply.
It's funny how Blood told me he needs to get his set to +11 and
maybe change stats a tiny bit and that should do it. When in
reality his counter was to send you here to convince admin to
ban MG from using shield skill from time to time in PVP. And
even that under the pretense that because SM cannot kill a
shileding MG that should mean nobody can. I totally agree on
fair PVP module here (I even spoke to you Wiz to think about
suggesting to give SM 21 stats per lvl, remember?), but Blood's
set is not on my LVL to judge by those PVPs we made.
Because of his variety in wearing sets, staffs, swords etc MG
has many different build paths: AMG, EMG, V-E hybrid MG, STR MG
with many in between variations. If you ban shield skill in pvp
beacause ONE variation is unkillable to SM (yes only to SM, AE
still kills shielding MG, BK can kill too hence my 7 out of 10
record vs Blood yesterday) you will punish and destroy the
strategies of other variations.
But again, lets wait for Ares's test results.
#Post#: 290--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: Ultra Date: March 28, 2017, 2:09 pm
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Just tested pvp with SimplySM. Despite afk shielding and perma
healing he could still kill me in around 20 seconds. Vs AE death
comes in 5 seconds (such shileding doesn't even count as AFK
lol).
I don't know what you are whining about Wizard.
#Post#: 291--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: Wizard Date: March 28, 2017, 2:14 pm
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[quote author=Ultra link=topic=95.msg290#msg290 date=1490728147]
Just tested pvp with SimplySM. Despite afk shielding and perma
healing he could still kill me in around 20 seconds. Vs AE death
comes in 5 seconds (such shileding doesn't even count as AFK
lol).
I don't know what you are whining about Wizard.
[/quote]
Dude, what the fck are you talking about. Who spoke about afk
shield skill.
Is it so hard to understand that you are abusing blast-shield
skill?
Blast has delay, so you cast blast and shield skill. This means
you re doing full potential damage BUT taking like -50% damage.
You can win anyone with this style and thats why this should be
forbiden from pvp
#Post#: 292--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shield Skill on MG
By: ares Date: March 28, 2017, 4:18 pm
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After a lot of tests versus all classes and many builds MGs from
now on cannot use shield skill at any PvP Event. Throughout the
whole test, we tried MG with every possible build both stats
wise and set wise was able to ruin our balance system and win
the classes by "abusing" the blast and shield skill. This could
be prevented if we moved unicorn to 4th Ascendancy and remove
thunder at all. Sadly we didn't see it coming so this rule will
be applied only on PvP Events.
Sorry for any inconvenience caused but MG is indeed trully
overpowered as Wizard mentioned.
Website rules Updated and thanks Wizard for the feedback.
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