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#Post#: 229--------------------------------------------------
Argument for increasing the chance to make 2nd wings.
DIR By: Azazel
Date: March 17, 2017, 5:04 am
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Previously it was justified to have 2nd wings % be 60, since
with jewels dropping 30 per hour and chaos item in shop we got
1st wings for free. Now things are different.
To make 2nd wings there are 4 stages:
1. Make chaos item
2. Make 1st wings
3. Make average or good exe item +7+opt and hunt feather
4. make 2nd wings with 60% chance.
As you can see its a lot of work, and a lot of jewels also.
Since jewels are now rare, each time you fail the 2nd wings it
really hits your wallet hard. Its impossible to spam 2nd wings
now, which is good. But this also impacts new players too
harshly. Today one new SM (lvl 150) tryed to make 2nd wings and
failed 6 pairs in a row, effectively spending all his jewels he
farmed for 2-3 days (around 60-70 jewels total). Even when i
offered to help him I failed 2 pairs haha.
I think the success rate for 2nd wings must be upped at the
final stage, since it will still make it hard to make wings (and
thus keeping the wing and jewel economy balanced), but not TOO
difficult like now, especially for new players.
Now Its up to discussion what should be the %, maybe try 80?
#Post#: 230--------------------------------------------------
Re: Argument for increasing the chance to make 2nd wings.
DIR By: Nympho
Date: March 17, 2017, 5:33 am
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I think in web was written that % for wings is 55 % fixed so u
don't need exl item for making 2nd level wings .. You need only
1stlevel wings +4 , feather and chaos :D
#Post#: 234--------------------------------------------------
Re: Argument for increasing the chance to make 2nd wings.
DIR By: ares
Date: March 17, 2017, 11:43 am
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--- Quote from: Azazel link ---
>
> Previously it was justified to have 2nd wings % be 60, since
with jewels dropping 30 per hour and chaos item in shop we got
1st wings for free. Now things are different.
> To make 2nd wings there are 4 stages:
> 1. Make chaos item
> 2. Make 1st wings
> 3. Make average or good exe item +7+opt and hunt feather
> 4. make 2nd wings with 60% chance.
> As you can see its a lot of work, and a lot of jewels also.
> Since jewels are now rare, each time you fail the 2nd wings it
really hits your wallet hard. Its impossible to spam 2nd wings
now, which is good. But this also impacts new players too
harshly. Today one new SM (lvl 150) tryed to make 2nd wings and
failed 6 pairs in a row, effectively spending all his jewels he
farmed for 2-3 days (around 60-70 jewels total). Even when i
offered to help him I failed 2 pairs haha.
> I think the success rate for 2nd wings must be upped at the
final stage, since it will still make it hard to make wings (and
thus keeping the wing and jewel economy balanced), but not TOO
difficult like now, especially for new players.
> Now Its up to discussion what should be the %, maybe try 80?
>
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Wings are still easy to create.
You just buy a good item from NPC (Ex.Lighting Swords)
Put them in machine and create chaos weapon
Spent 1-2 bless + items from NPC again and create your lvl 1
Wings
Spent 3-4 bless for items +4 and create your lvl 2 Wings
We discussed this before and the maximum chance to create your
wings is 55%
I want you to understand that i must not giving away easy
strategies how to make zen or how to create wings. So please
from now on, since arena post and this post were posted, think
twice before posting.
Both posts feel invalid and its against the whole "hard"-ish
concept. 80% is way to easy for an item that is that important.
#Post#: 238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Argument for increasing the chance to make 2nd wings.
DIR By: Azazel
Date: March 17, 2017, 3:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Ares link ---
>
>
> Wings are still easy to create.
> You just buy a good item from NPC (Ex.Lighting Swords)
> Put them in machine and create chaos weapon
> Spent 1-2 bless + items from NPC again and create your lvl 1
Wings
> Spent 3-4 bless for items +4 and create your lvl 2 Wings
>
> We discussed this before and the maximum chance to create your
wings is 55%
> I want you to understand that i must not giving away easy
strategies how to make zen or how to create wings. So please
from now on, since arena post and this post were posted, think
twice before posting.
>
> Both posts feel invalid and its against the whole "hard"-ish
concept. 80% is way to easy for an item that is that important.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well it was already worth it to post since now I can direct all
the noobs who are crying that they keep failing 2nd wings to
forum to read your reply. It's already a guide haha.
Personally in previous ascendancies I was still getting % to
show 90, cause to me it seemed like the success was more
consistent, despite costing more jewels.
Also this post was an agument in a general discussion, you
refuted it. Therefore in no way it was invalid :D all very
civilized ;)
#Post#: 240--------------------------------------------------
Re: Argument for increasing the chance to make 2nd wings.
DIR By: ares
Date: March 17, 2017, 3:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Azazel link ---
>
> [quote author=Ares link=topic=78.msg234#msg234
date=1489769018]
>
> Wings are still easy to create.
> You just buy a good item from NPC (Ex.Lighting Swords)
> Put them in machine and create chaos weapon
> Spent 1-2 bless + items from NPC again and create your lvl 1
Wings
> Spent 3-4 bless for items +4 and create your lvl 2 Wings
>
> We discussed this before and the maximum chance to create your
wings is 55%
> I want you to understand that i must not giving away easy
strategies how to make zen or how to create wings. So please
from now on, since arena post and this post were posted, think
twice before posting.
>
> Both posts feel invalid and its against the whole "hard"-ish
concept. 80% is way to easy for an item that is that important.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well it was already worth it to post since now I can direct all
the noobs who are crying that they keep failing 2nd wings to
forum to read your reply. It's already a guide haha.
Personally in previous ascendancies I was still getting % to
show 90, cause to me it seemed like the success was more
consistent, despite costing more jewels.
Also this post was an agument in a general discussion, you
refuted it. Therefore in no way it was invalid :D all very
civilized ;)
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Liked your reply, glad i helped ;D
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