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#Post#: 97--------------------------------------------------
Mana Shield break PVP
By: Ultra Date: March 5, 2017, 11:58 am
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Today i was trying to see different bows I have and how i fare
in pvp overall. So i tested the damage and fught different
people. Overall it all seemed well balanced (everyone has pros
and cons), but Soulmaster with MS becomes unkillable. For
example
when SM has no MS (this particular one had bone set+11 = 720
def) my exe dmg on him is 1k;
with MS its 150
with no MS but with 3,8k ene EE buff its 400
with +0 sphinx set (so much lower def), no EE buff BUT mana
shield its also 400...admin pls test this. When we legit fought
he was hitting me 800-900 (he has 3k ene and 900 agi), while i
hit him 50-150 when he had MS.
Look at the problem like this: MG with +11+16+dd exe sphinx set
hits me 1,4k max and i hit him 1,2k/ SM with +0 exe spinx set
BUT with MS hits me 800 max (less ene than MG ofc), but i hit
him 400. SM can pretty much troll around with +0 exe pad set and
still surviva few hits in pvp if he has around 500 vit.
I was thinking that MS buff on self applies only via agility,
but seems like ene also impacts and it totally breaks the pvp.
I didn't take any SS because this is not a bug and admin can
test it themselves easily.
#Post#: 98--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: ares Date: March 5, 2017, 12:23 pm
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[quote author=Ultra link=topic=46.msg97#msg97 date=1488736707]
Today i was trying to see different bows I have and how i fare
in pvp overall. So i tested the damage and fught different
people. Overall it all seemed well balanced (everyone has pros
and cons), but Soulmaster with MS becomes unkillable. For
example
when SM has no MS (this particular one had bone set+11 = 720
def) my exe dmg on him is 1k;
with MS its 150
with no MS but with 3,8k ene EE buff its 400
with +0 sphinx set (so much lower def), no EE buff BUT mana
shield its also 400...admin pls test this. When we legit fought
he was hitting me 800-900 (he has 3k ene and 900 agi), while i
hit him 50-150 when he had MS.
Look at the problem like this: MG with +11+16+dd exe sphinx set
hits me 1,4k max and i hit him 1,2k/ SM with +0 exe spinx set
BUT with MS hits me 800 max (less ene than MG ofc), but i hit
him 400. SM can pretty much troll around with +0 exe pad set and
still surviva few hits in pvp if he has around 500 vit.
I was thinking that MS buff on self applies only via agility,
but seems like ene also impacts and it totally breaks the pvp.
I didn't take any SS because this is not a bug and admin can
test it themselves easily.
[/quote]
Hello,
We runned over a houndred + tests on PvP balance with a lot of
different builds both stats and set options.
Thats why we advertise our Perfectly Balanced PvP. There are
noumerus mentions that MS is reworked.
That means it works better with energy than agility. That happen
because SM needed a huge boost in order to compete with other
classes.
A full MSer or a high ene/agi mser with low hp can only be
killed by Party Elf
( Party elf is agility elf with low hp and high agi for max
damage)
In 5v5 wars MSer has manashield on himself plus Buff from a EE.
No class can kill him exept Party Elf.
Hope i helped :)
#Post#: 101--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: Azazel Date: March 5, 2017, 2:41 pm
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[quote author=Ares link=topic=46.msg98#msg98 date=1488738207]
Hello,
We runned over a houndred + tests on PvP balance with a lot of
different builds both stats and set options.
Thats why we advertise our Perfectly Balanced PvP. There are
noumerus mentions that MS is reworked.
That means it works better with energy than agility. That happen
because SM needed a huge boost in order to compete with other
classes.
A full MSer or a high ene/agi mser with low hp can only be
killed by Party Elf
( Party elf is agility elf with low hp and high agi for max
damage)
In 5v5 wars MSer has manashield on himself plus Buff from a EE.
No class can kill him exept Party Elf.
Hope i helped :)
[/quote]
So if i make SM with 1k agi, 1k vit and 2,5k ene I can be 1v1
god? Because i will still hit others 600-800 but get hit no more
than 250 (from MG with 5k ene almost), but have 2,5k hp.
The biggest problem with MS is the group pvp though, when there
is guild war or just 5v5 and both parties have MS, nobody dies
lol
#Post#: 102--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: ares Date: March 5, 2017, 3:53 pm
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[quote author=Azazel link=topic=46.msg101#msg101
date=1488746507]
[quote author=Ares link=topic=46.msg98#msg98 date=1488738207]
Hello,
We runned over a houndred + tests on PvP balance with a lot of
different builds both stats and set options.
Thats why we advertise our Perfectly Balanced PvP. There are
noumerus mentions that MS is reworked.
That means it works better with energy than agility. That happen
because SM needed a huge boost in order to compete with other
classes.
A full MSer or a high ene/agi mser with low hp can only be
killed by Party Elf
( Party elf is agility elf with low hp and high agi for max
damage)
In 5v5 wars MSer has manashield on himself plus Buff from a EE.
No class can kill him exept Party Elf.
Hope i helped :)
[/quote]
So if i make SM with 1k agi, 1k vit and 2,5k ene I can be 1v1
god? Because i will still hit others 600-800 but get hit no more
than 250 (from MG with 5k ene almost), but have 2,5k hp.
The biggest problem with MS is the group pvp though, when there
is guild war or just 5v5 and both parties have MS, nobody dies
lol
[/quote]
You won't be any PvP god with those stats. Off course you can
feel free and try them out.
As for 5v5 your main target is MSer or EE.
EE dies with Party elf debuff and MSer dies from Party Elf also
:)
I dont understand why you seem worried while you runned around 5
tests with so random stats and sets
when we runned 100+ tests with almost all possible stats and
sets.
SM is balanced and all class are balanced as well.
#Post#: 103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: Yaerious Date: March 5, 2017, 3:55 pm
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i dont think that SM is (god) until we reach in final stage
(350lvl) , there we will see the true powers.. :)
#Post#: 104--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: Azazel Date: March 5, 2017, 4:17 pm
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OK let's see what future holds, these were just my first
notices. However a hybrid built SM atm will win 1v1 vs anyone
(except full ref BK, which is a useless char anyway - ignore
bot).
#Post#: 105--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: ares Date: March 5, 2017, 6:53 pm
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[quote author=Azazel link=topic=46.msg104#msg104
date=1488752235]
....a hybrid built SM atm will win 1v1 vs anyone
[/quote]
This is a false statement. There is no build or class that can
win 1v1 vs anyone.
#Post#: 106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: Azazel Date: March 6, 2017, 2:17 am
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[quote author=Ares link=topic=46.msg105#msg105 date=1488761586]
[quote author=Azazel link=topic=46.msg104#msg104
date=1488752235]
....a hybrid built SM atm will win 1v1 vs anyone
[/quote]
This is a false statement. There is no build or class that can
win 1v1 vs anyone.
[/quote]
Possible, however from what I've tested no way an AE or MG can
beat hybrid SM in a 1v1 PVP. I fail to see how EE can do it (sm
will tp away from her summon and kill her directly in 2-3 hits).
This only leaves BK with good balance between attack and hp
(with ref), but with MS on BK will attack low anyway, and with
good hp wiz can survive the ref. Still even vs BK i would bet SM
to win 60-70% of the time.
I'm almost thinking to stat reset myself and challenge any class
to 1v1 me for jewels or whatever, I will even be naked vs any
class who is not BK.
#Post#: 107--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: ares Date: March 6, 2017, 4:22 am
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[quote author=Azazel link=topic=46.msg106#msg106
date=1488788244]
[quote author=Ares link=topic=46.msg105#msg105 date=1488761586]
[quote author=Azazel link=topic=46.msg104#msg104
date=1488752235]
....a hybrid built SM atm will win 1v1 vs anyone
[/quote]
This is a false statement. There is no build or class that can
win 1v1 vs anyone.
[/quote]
Possible, however from what I've tested no way an AE or MG can
beat hybrid SM in a 1v1 PVP. I fail to see how EE can do it (sm
will tp away from her summon and kill her directly in 2-3 hits).
This only leaves BK with good balance between attack and hp
(with ref), but with MS on BK will attack low anyway, and with
good hp wiz can survive the ref. Still even vs BK i would bet SM
to win 60-70% of the time.
I'm almost thinking to stat reset myself and challenge any class
to 1v1 me for jewels or whatever, I will even be naked vs any
class who is not BK.
[/quote]
You forgot to read that we already tested SM noumerous times
with all classes with noumerous builds.
Your opinion is based in an extremely low stat/set/build pool.
Trust the creators :)
#Post#: 108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mana Shield break PVP
By: Azazel Date: March 6, 2017, 5:26 am
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[quote author=Ares link=topic=46.msg107#msg107 date=1488795740]
[quote author=Azazel link=topic=46.msg106#msg106
date=1488788244]
[quote author=Ares link=topic=46.msg105#msg105 date=1488761586]
[quote author=Azazel link=topic=46.msg104#msg104
date=1488752235]
....a hybrid built SM atm will win 1v1 vs anyone
[/quote]
This is a false statement. There is no build or class that can
win 1v1 vs anyone.
[/quote]
Possible, however from what I've tested no way an AE or MG can
beat hybrid SM in a 1v1 PVP. I fail to see how EE can do it (sm
will tp away from her summon and kill her directly in 2-3 hits).
This only leaves BK with good balance between attack and hp
(with ref), but with MS on BK will attack low anyway, and with
good hp wiz can survive the ref. Still even vs BK i would bet SM
to win 60-70% of the time.
I'm almost thinking to stat reset myself and challenge any class
to 1v1 me for jewels or whatever, I will even be naked vs any
class who is not BK.
[/quote]
You forgot to read that we already tested SM noumerous times
with all classes with noumerous builds.
Your opinion is based in an extremely low stat/set/build pool.
Trust the creators :)
[/quote]
OK i trust you. I just tested a bit more and seems like i was
wrong in 1 specific regard that i'm not gonna get into :P
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