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Electric Land Rover
By: pintofale Date: July 27, 2017, 9:37 am
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Anyone tried a conversion to electric on a series? Or heard of
one?
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: woollen797 Date: July 27, 2017, 12:34 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSV_46y6ufs
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: pintofale Date: July 31, 2017, 2:38 am
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I was after amateur efforts really, I know various organisations
have been making electric versions for a while (there was an
electric Disco at Marconi in Leicester when I worked there back
in the early 90's - it really shifted!)
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: pintofale Date: July 31, 2017, 2:51 am
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I see we have a text replace bot in action here, let's see what
else it does:
D I S C O => Disco
D I S C O V E R Y => Discovery
F R E E L A N D E R => Freelander
R A N G E R O V E R => Range Rover
L A N D C R U I S E R => Landcruiser
P A T H F I N D E R => Pathfinder
V I T A R A => Vitara
C O I L S P R I N G => Mister Slinky
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: pintofale Date: July 31, 2017, 2:53 am
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I thought you could at least manage "shitara" for the suzuki....
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: NoelC Date: August 14, 2017, 2:41 am
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The only home made electric article I remember was in LRO years
ago and was on a Range Rover from what I remember using multiple
car batteries. It was pretty shite to be fair, as you'd expect.
I know there are companies that will convert a classic car to
electric presumably for ££££££ but I can't remember seeing a DIY
series conversion. GM list the 60kWh battery for the new Chevy
Bolt at $15,734.29 including GM and dealer margins - Tesla seem
to be in the $190/kWh manufacturing cost area at the moment.
Until battery pricing gets sensible I don't see it.
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: fuckwit Date: August 31, 2017, 7:28 pm
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[quote]Tesla seem to be in the $190/kWh manufacturing cost area
at the moment. Until battery pricing gets sensible I don't see
it. [/quote]
And we're off.... Unfortunately cells are not like mobile phones
/ wide-screen TVs / Laptops etc, they don't get twice as fast
for half the price, and half the size every 2-3 years. They
haven't truly improved for 85 years. And like any other cell
they're good for 3-4 years, tops. Usually far, far less. See
this yourself in your mobile. Go on, how long do your mobile
cells last before a charge is doing half what it did? And you
wnat a car based on that? Are you sure?
Now that die-sel in anything under three tons is getting its
rightful kicking from the same taxation-system that created it,
they're going to create another white-elephant in electric.
(Rant) So when:
1) Our electric cars have three year old batteries that did 200
miles range new, but are soon sh*t for 50.
2) A new set of cells are worth three times the used value of
the cars they sit in.
3) They weigh a ton so don't stop.
4) The electricity cost used for 200 miles now does only 50, but
makes a big lump of toxic metals hot, and still costs the same
as it did to charge for 200 miles. Fine when a mobile phone
battery gets old & tired, it just gets hot. In a car? I don't
wnat your electri c bill for a poxy 50 miles.
What then?
(Rant off)
Lest we forget a need for road-pricing because the govenment
feeds on fuel-duty, and it won't be getting any from electric.
And our grid won't cope, it'll need beefing-up, so we'll
wind-up, paying more for electricity anyway.
Electric power is an engineering fallacy put together by
guardian reading morons that should have been left in a sandpit
with a Tonka toy thus giving the rest of us a decent education.
Clearly theirs was wasted on them. This whole fallacy ignores
even basic school-boy physics. FFS, my 12 year old can tell you
why it can't work. Worse, I understand you get tax-breaks to buy
one?!
That Tesla thing is being sold by a snake-oil saleman, although
you gotta admire his verve. He seems to be getting away with
it...
For now.
And it shouldn't need my 12 year old to tell you why it's a
con...
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: pintofale Date: September 1, 2017, 3:31 am
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I agree with all of that Fuckwit, and it's backed up by the fact
that electric cars have been around for 100 years and never
taken off. But I suspect a couple of technology changes could
fix all of those problems. The first is battery technology, and
there is a lot of research going on. Once we have a cheap,
non-toxic battery which can charge/discharge happily for a few
years (and maybe lighter too) it will unlock a lot of those
problems. There are many different avenues being explored here.
Elon Musk is not daft, I suspect he is seeding his market with
LiIon/LiPoly but will switch technology when it comes of age and
will already be in the driving seat. Secondly, regarding
distribution, I see the solution as solar on car. Once solar
cell efficiency comes up (and it's coming) this will be very
doable even in blighty. The car will sit outside all day
charging up, even on a muggy day. There will be battery enough
to cover many miles in the dark, and lots of lit areas to charge
in service stations etc. No need for the grid. Ideally homes
will go the same way. So the only issue left is tax revenue
(which is always under threat from new technology anyway), but
there are several options, for example meters in cars or tax on
the capital value of the vehicle etc.
Just don't forget your Series 2 service manual to read while
you're zooming along in your self-driving solar Tata car-pod...
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: NoelC Date: September 1, 2017, 9:48 am
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[quote author=fuckwit link=topic=9854.msg102500#msg102500
date=1504225697]
And we're off.... Unfortunately cells are not like mobile phones
/ wide-screen TVs / Laptops etc, they don't get twice as fast
for half the price, and half the size every 2-3 years. They
haven't truly improved for 85 years.
[/quote]
Battery technology does improve and costs do, and have reduced.
Nissan's cost per kWh in 2010 for the Leaf was $750, getting on
for 5 times more than it costs now looking at current figures.
It may not advance at the rate other things do but not truly
improved in 85 years? Er, no.
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Re: Electric Land Rover
By: fuckwit Date: September 2, 2017, 5:42 pm
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Your freind and mine, Mr Musk gives an eight year warranty on
his cells. Which kinda' shows he has real confidence.
Ahem: Read the small-print. You'll note the battery warranty
will not cover range-reduction. You may recall, there's an old a
'Minder' episode with Arfur' selling pot-plants with the Daley
lifetime guarantee... your plant guaranteed for the life of the
plant.
Braodly speaking the technolgy has not changed in 85 years. The
basic inefficiencies inherent in storing electrical energy in
chemical form and then converting it back, has not gone away. So
poor is it, that if it improved some 50% overnight, and its cost
reduced by the same factor, it would still be appaling. And as
for 'green', pah... worse than ever. It does not work.
[quote]solar on car. [/quote]
Really? Hundreds of the required Kilowatts of power on a muggy
day? Did you go to school? No matter how good the tech, even
without considering the gross losses of doing so, sorry, there
simply isn't the energy to capture and convert in the first
place...
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