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#Post#: 10093--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Drew 5292
Date: February 8, 2012, 7:58 am
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Cheers Noel.
I don't mind doing the sweat generation thing with such kit, if
it means being sure of getting something on the trailer. What I
don't fancy is an occasionally used 12v affair failing because
of a dead battery which I mongishly forgot to charge after my
last session of winchageness.
Drew's in the market for a combat-strength Tirfor 8)
#Post#: 10098--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Lucy
Date: February 8, 2012, 8:30 am
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Drew, yes they are controlled both directions. Fantastic bits of
kit, though genuine travel ones are pricey.if you get one make
sure it has the correct cable with it. Have used mine many times
for dragging dead motors on and off trailers as well as
recovering stuck landrovers. It's only a 1600kg one, but that's
a lifting capacity.put was more than capable of dragging the
101 out when she was sat on her diffs
in a muddy hole
#Post#: 10170--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: logrover
Date: February 8, 2012, 2:57 pm
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fairey capstan on the Logrover comes in useful now and again.
slow, but steady, and always ready for action :)
HTML http://www.log-rover.co.uk/Putting%20things%20together/slides/lambda%20041.jpg
HTML http://www.log-rover.co.uk/Log%20Rover%20in%20use/slides/10th%20March%2007%20021.jpg
HTML http://www.log-rover.co.uk/Log%20Rover%20in%20use/slides/10th%20March%2007%20024.jpg
does a bit of ploughng as well ;)
#Post#: 10515--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Jabbawocky
Date: February 10, 2012, 4:58 pm
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Hi all
I have a capstan on my 2a 88" and it is a great piece of kit.
Use it regularly to move dead vehicles about the yard. Used it
loads of time to recover stuck vehicles, including tractors and
Lorries. The big problem is stopping the Land Rover from moving.
I do now have a set of Fairey chocks, which are very heavy, but
do stop the Landy moving.
I have a Turner winch on 2a Dormobile. Which is a scary bit of
kit as it didn't have a shear pin. I have now rebuilt the
driveshaft to fit the 300tdi and have fitting a basic friction
clutch. Only used it a couple of times in anger and again, a
great bit of kit. It easily dragged a 2 ton stone trough I
needed to move.
The big problem with these winches is they are bolted to the
front of the vehicle and normally, when you get properly stuck,
you need to go backwards. To solve this problem, I have a
removable 9000lb which fits onto the hitch slider.
I like these winches so much I set up a website selling bits to
go with them. www.lrbits.co.uk
HTML http://www.lrbits.co.uk
Mick
#Post#: 11207--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Glen
Date: February 14, 2012, 4:38 pm
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Tirfors aren't that strenuous to crank in terms of input force
(when not overloaded), its the fact they are very slow so you'll
be going for ages that may make you work a bit, controlability
in eather direction is about as good as it gets though. The
real thing that makes you sweat is moving them in the first
place as the big ones are really heavy - the smallest that'll do
the job will be the most useful. They are pritty though
machines, but the main thing to watch for is the end of the
cable which should be neatly formed into a point, if it starts
to frey it won't go into the winch to load and becomes useless -
you can't just cut the end off and try again.
If you might get stuck a lot the speed of a Tirfor will soon
become iritating but I'd agree as a once in a while emergency
item they are a very good investment, and will still have uses
when a vehicle winch doesn't point the right way (or your doing
something completely different).
A cheeper option thats still probubly enough for most and less
bulky is a hilift jack. 10 years ago I used to regularly winch
with one (couldn't afford a tirfor) and I think its the job they
are best at, as we all know they can be a bit wobbly for
jacking. I would very strongly recomend getting a proper chain
set for one though if you want to winch, they work so much
better. Basicly you only need to tension them once as the
chains let you retain the tension when going back down the rack
to start again. Without it, you need to carefully and
repeatidly tie your ropes and using a 5ft jack you'll be lucky
to pull much over 1ft per rack rather than near full travel and
it will take forever. They are still much slower than a tirfor
(!) though and much more effort but if you already carry a
hilift, a chain set is a worthy perminant companion as I
suspect you'd only bother to carry a Tirfor if you thought you
might need it, and thats not always when you do.
#Post#: 11222--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: strang
Date: February 14, 2012, 6:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Drew 5292 link ---
>
> [quote="Glen"]Assuming they are properly conected though Drew,
you can still use the starter dog, the winch should have an
extra starting dog on the front of it and comes with a specal
shortened starting handle
--- End Quote ---
I didn't know that, Glen. :-\
You learn something every time you log on to OLLR ;D
[/quote]
This is one of the shortened cranking handles for use with a
winch - with the claw hammer for scale. This came with the
capstan winch fitted to my 2 litre diesel series one, and I defy
anyone to hand crank start that via the winch!
[IMG]
HTML http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/pck796/startinghandle.jpg[/img]
#Post#: 11515--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: ChrisChallis
Date: February 16, 2012, 1:23 pm
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+1 for PTO driven Drum Winch (mayflower)
Downsides - cant fit an overdrive and its chuffing heavy
However its powerful, has miles of cable and as it goes though
the gearbox its geared - even works in reverse.
Regarding getting parts -
HTML http://www.landrover-winches.com/Parts/Winches/
#Post#: 12397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Effortless
Date: February 21, 2012, 10:35 am
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Yup,
have to agree, my PTO drum winch is mostly cosmetic!!
[IMG]
HTML http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l176/Effortless01/PTO%20winch/4430c389.jpg[/img]
Although it DOES work, and has DONE some work in the past...
[IMG]
HTML http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l176/Effortless01/PTO%20winch/65910ee6.jpg[/img]
And to echo some of the comments on here, it IS chuffing heavy!!
Someone on this or another forum has weighed one of these, and
it's close to 110kgs!! And this is all in front of the front
axle line... not great for handling.
And in answer to a question about wether the drive shafts are
available for these winches, well, not in the sense of a part
number available off the shelf, but they are just lengths of
3/4" (or 19.05mm) mild steel bar. Only drama would be to cut the
slot for a Woodruff key.
Drew mentioned that fitting these winches removes the ability to
use the crank handle to start the vehicle... well, not entirely
true. The cable on the drum does block access to the handle, but
only if the drum is almost full of cable. You can either run out
enough cable off the drum to allow the handle to be inserted, or
you can drill a hole for the handle lower down in the bumper.
I've not used a capstan winch myself, but I think the consensus
on here would be that if you just needed a winch for occasional
use, on the farm, on the smallholding, doing a bit of logging,
removing stumps , moving heavy stuff around the yard etc then a
capstan would be ideal. They don't weigh too much, and don't
store cable on them that can get robbed. They also offer very
fine control of the load.
This aspect caused a bit of a ruckus a few years back IIRC, when
the likes of Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi kicked up a fuss at
the requirement from the Coastguard that any vehicle they bought
would have to be specified with a capstan winch. Not something
that can be easily fitted to most vehicles! The Coastguard
argued that they needed the capstan winches as they were able to
give very fine control when lifting stretcher-bound casualties
up cliffs. The "other" 4x4 manufacturers kicked up a stink, the
Coastguard were required to buy "other" vehicles for a time, the
Coastguard then kicked up a stink, and things went back to
normal with Land Rovers fitted with capstans!!
Cheers,
Effortless.
#Post#: 12400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Drew 5292
Date: February 21, 2012, 11:02 am
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[quote="Effortless"]Drew mentioned that fitting these winches
removes the ability to use the crank handle to start the
vehicle... well, not entirely true.[/quote]
I was happy to stand corrected in a later post, E-less...still
am. But the idea of their being too much cable blocking the
keyhole and dog access hadn't struck me.
#Post#: 12404--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Effortless
Date: February 21, 2012, 11:42 am
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You weren't really corrected Drew ;)
I wasn't having a dig. What you said was quite correct, the
winch does block access to the crank dog. I only stuck my oar in
to let people know that there are ways around it (although
having miles of recalcitrant spikey winch cable tangled around
your ankles might not count as a workaround for some people!).
Cheers,
Effortless.
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