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#Post#: 9634--------------------------------------------------
Winches and the likes
DIR By: alwaysseries2
Date: February 5, 2012, 2:01 pm
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As i have looked at a many number of leafer pictures today i
have noticed alot have winches mainly Capstan. Has anyone ever
used these origional winches fitted to series land rovers and
what they like?
I have seen alot fitted do people actually use them as parts
must be RARE or hard to source?
It seemed for a bit and still does they fetch a premium possibly
for ascetic value?
#Post#: 9640--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Drew 5292
Date: February 5, 2012, 2:12 pm
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Rex, 'ascetic' means 'abstinent' or 'self-denying'. Not really
words which can be applied to an add-on extra on a vehicle.
So, let's assume you meant 'aesthetic', as in for the look or
image.
As for original Land-Rover winches. The best, as far as I'm
aware, are the crank-driven drum ones; the only pitfall being
the inability to hand-turn your motor if the starter fails.
The capstan ones, whilst solid and good, also block off the dog
and rely on a second person to keep tension on the rope/cable,
as it only loops around the turning capstan a time or two and
the winch, effectively, crawls up the line with a kind-of
corkscrewing of the rope/cable.
#Post#: 9679--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Glen
Date: February 5, 2012, 3:15 pm
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At least some of the capstans I've seen on series ones over the
years lack the drive dogs to make them go (there is usally an
exuse for this like changed it back from a 2.25 engine and don't
have the bits), therefore its only there for asthetics or the
owner just prefers the weight balance screwing up the handleing.
Assuming they are properly conected though Drew, you can still
use the starter dog, the winch should have an extra starting dog
on the front of it and comes with a specal shortened starting
handle. You need to crank it with the winch engaged of course.
I'd need to have a look at my mates 2A with a shaft drive drum
winch from the gearbox PTO (neet set of propshafts running down
the left side of the engine) but it wouldn't surprise me if
Fariey had cunningly located it so the starting handle would
still work in that too as I think the drum is mounted fairly
high - he's certainly used it for winching things up and down
mineshafts, suspect 'things' have included people with a
suitable shunt line and they've got SRT stuff as backup.
I know someone who used to use a capstan on his series 3 in the
80's to pull small boats up slipways which he said it was very
good for (with a nice long hemp rope) but I think for the
resions Drew gives it was less handy for self recovery, better
than nowt though.
I am let do belive the rear capstans as sometimes seen fitted to
some shinny restored series ones are completely useless rare
show items though because as well as being so huge they really
get in the way of anything other than winching, their caseings
are not very strong and will crack if used to really pull
anything - they are rare because of the few that were made, many
got wrecked when people tried to use them.
#Post#: 9698--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: NiteMare
Date: February 5, 2012, 4:13 pm
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the one on my bitsa was only bought/fitted because it's an
Aeroparts and came with the fairlead (no splined driveshaft or
crank dog though although it did have the engagement mech' with
it) which i think is the best looking of the capstans/fairleads,
so yes, mine "is" fitted for the asthetics ;D
it was cheap in my opinion (40quid), it's been worked hard which
is evidenced by the backlash and welding that has been done to
give extra traction/friction on the rope
i'd use mine occaisionally if it was hooked up, mostly because i
like toys but to be honest i do think a drum winch would be the
more sensible option for self recovery, these i think were more
for dragging stuff to you rather than getting yourself unstuck
i had the opportunity of a hydraulic drum winch (winch and pump
for definite) a while back but was put off the idea due to the
weight and space requirements, not to mention not being able to
fit an overdrive if i went for it
#Post#: 9741--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Waldorf
Date: February 6, 2012, 4:51 am
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A friend offered me PTO-driven Fairey drum winch, including a
bumper and the PTO. The only thing missing is the propshaft. How
hard is it to find a suitable propshaft?
#Post#: 9765--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Rory
Date: February 6, 2012, 8:28 am
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I have a complete ,except for one spring, capstan winch sat in
my shed that I intended to fit on my Good Lady's 88.
#Post#: 9829--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: NoelC
Date: February 6, 2012, 1:42 pm
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I had the genuine Land Rover hydraulic winch on a '63 109" and
that was really good, gave you the impression it would work all
day every day for years with no bother. Self recovery was a
doddle. I've never used a capstan but I do like them, although
from what I've seen they're best suited for winching stuff
towards the Landy and not moving the Landy itself - i.e. the
advertising films of the era show them hauling felled trees
about plus of course the Coastguard had them, presumably for
winching things up cliffs. Oddly enough the 2.5 petrol lump I
stuck in the 88 has a capstan drive dog attached so I've been
thinking about giving one a try.
#Post#: 9842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: brianthesnail96
Date: February 6, 2012, 2:22 pm
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I've played with a capstan self recovering an 80" on a steep,
rocky and wet lane. It wasn't massively stuck, in fact we'd have
probably got up with a good does of momentum but he
understandably didn't want to stuff it into the rocky walls. I
don't think it would be much fun in 2ft deep mud... Worked very
well, a very controlled and almost relaxing recovery from the
vehicle's point of view but it is hard work for the poor bugger
running around with the rope; you also need a good supply of
solid objects to wrap said rope around. Probably used it four or
five times on the one lane and it was a rather enjoyable way to
spend a morning.
In short, a fitting tool for a classic series vehicle, perfectly
capable for the occasional self recovery and the odd bit of
dragging stuff around. But I wouldn't want to use one for work
or serious play. Or if you are in a hurry...
Never used any other variant but I've heard good things about
the hydraulic drum winches.
#Post#: 9863--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: Redwinch
Date: February 6, 2012, 3:18 pm
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I've had a bit to do with winches in my time, built them,
modified them, broke them, capstan and drum as below
[IMG]
HTML http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab237/Redwinch/LAPT%202011/039.jpg[/img]
a slightly larger model
[IMG]
HTML http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab237/Redwinch/Mining/avatar.jpg[/img]
and a tracked one
[IMG]
HTML http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab237/Redwinch/Mining/Winchtracksideview.jpg[/img]
The current one on the 109 is capable of snapping a 5/6" dia
steel cable, maybe not ideal to everyone, but with its new crane
wire of larger dia, it gives you a slight security blanket (if
at times false, as you can only go forward) would like to do a
winch thread sometime ??? Sorry no pics of the capstan, it did
work
#Post#: 9866--------------------------------------------------
Re: Winches and the likes
DIR By: hippydave
Date: February 6, 2012, 3:24 pm
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Ah last years leafers at tpit pigeon, hope its not still in
there ;)
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