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       #Post#: 93871--------------------------------------------------
       Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: PennLandy Date: October 20, 2014, 1:30 pm
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       Ive owned my series 3 for just over a year now and got it from
       no MOT and running badly to fully legal and running nicely all
       with zero mechanical knowledge or skill and a lot of manual
       reading. When i first got her i had a real interest in
       offroading and pushing the landy to her limits, i was fascinated
       with how far you could still push leaf springs and prove how
       good they can be. I finally got round to attending my first pay
       and play the other day and was full of excitement, when i got
       there i quickly realised i was surrounded by HUGE discoverys and
       various what i can only presume was MOT failed Jap 4x4s. The
       idea of the day seemed to be push your car hard with no
       consideration given to how much damage you could/would do to the
       car. After only one hour (half of which i just watched) i left
       feeling slightly gutted about the whole thing. What i have
       realised though is actually my passion lies in the restoration,
       the looking after, the maintaining of what in my opinion is an
       important part of British history. Id still love to green lane,
       offroading with a point and a destination still appeals but not
       just to damage the car and surroundings. Ive now booked my S3 in
       for a galvanised chassis and hope to keep her as original as
       possible (whilst making her that little bit more drivable) and
       enjoy a bit of touring in her. She might not be fancy and she
       might not be valuable, but she's original and i plan on keeping
       her as near to that as i can.
       Sorry its a long post i just wondered if anybody else had felt
       the same ?
       #Post#: 93873--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: chally2 Date: October 20, 2014, 1:57 pm
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       I've been to a few pay and plays and any reckless driving is
       frowned upon.  It should be about skill and getting around with
       NO damage.  There are a few pikey dicks around which gives off
       roading a bad name.
       I would never risk my 101 off roading but love to see what it
       can do.
       #Post#: 93888--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: PennLandy Date: October 20, 2014, 4:51 pm
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       Don't get me wrong it was well ran and everyone was friendly it
       just became apparent that for a lot of people damage was just
       part of the day, still keen to see what mine can do just much
       more interested in doing it in the process of getting from A to
       B across an interesting route rather than just up and down bomb
       holes
       #Post#: 93996--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: Trebro Date: October 24, 2014, 9:57 pm
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       Have you considered RTV trials with an AWDC affiliated club?
       To me there seems to be far more purpose to it, the object is to
       get around a specific course without getting stuck, stopping or
       hitting the canes, your competing within class against similar
       vehicles, and everyone takes there turn so you get to watch
       other vehicles performing
       At most clubs there's generally a few series vehicles all of
       which have to be road legal and close to the standard spec.
       It's meant to be non damaging, but if you walk a section and
       don't fancy driving it that's your choice.
       #Post#: 94000--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: prof-pat-pending Date: October 25, 2014, 2:11 am
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       i think i'm with you on this  :-?
       i much prefer a good green lane day - but i do enjoy it more
       when they are a bit technical and i really have to think about
       getting the 'right line' so not to get stuck or damage anything
       cant say i get it right all the time - but i can never blame my
       landrover - its always down to my 'lack of talent'  :haha:
       it is better with other series vehicles - i find you all are
       like minded and work with what you've got  :smilewide:
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       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: Arjan Date: October 25, 2014, 3:23 am
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       Know what you mean but I'm somewhat biased....  :smilewide:
       We Greenlane for a living and visit P&P sites every now and then
       with clients wh o want to play..
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       However, I just love taking the Hybrid out on our lanes and just
       enjoy the day...
       #Post#: 94063--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: PennLandy Date: October 26, 2014, 4:08 pm
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       Def want to get some decent green laneing done and with other
       series would make it even better ! Unfortunately i live in a
       particularly bad area for green lanes. Family up in the lakes
       though so hopefully head up there some point soon, fingers
       crossed my old 2.25 petrol could hack the 5 hours drive at 60mph
       !!
       #Post#: 94064--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: Rob1769 Date: October 26, 2014, 5:17 pm
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       MMM  exactly my thinking too...   we have 'KORK off roading'
       the old quarry at Kirton in Lindsey near where I lives and it
       operates a P&Play.. however most seem to be there to just
       totally 'abuse to destruction'  our lass bought me a  'day pass'
       for my birthday almost a year ago and TBH its still not used as
       im not really sure its my kind of fun in the LR.. much prefer
       tootling around the local lanes and  trogging across any
       unguarded field I come across
       #Post#: 94105--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: NoelC Date: October 28, 2014, 4:26 am
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       I've done bits and bobs of stuff in the UK and I'm of the
       opinion the reason people tend to behave like bellends on pay
       and play sites is boredom. You're not actually going anywhere,
       just driving round in circles for the "fun" of it.
       I like going places off road. The trouble is that's not easy
       (read impossible) in the UK to cover any decent distance. I do
       all of my exploring stateside in the ambulance where breaking
       anything has serious financial and potentially
       health-threatening consequences. Driving with vehicle
       preservation top of the list is paramount to me. Snapping half
       shafts in a mud pit for the sake of it is for  :wanker: .
       #Post#: 94203--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Maybe I'm just getting old ?
       By: NiteMare Date: November 1, 2014, 10:58 am
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       the different "Series" groups/fans/forums/clubs generally have
       weekends away greenlaning and camping
       most of my unsurfaced driving is done in Wales on long weekends
       with local members of the Series2 Club where we watch and help
       each other to minimise the risk of damage and in doing so get
       plenty of opportunity to learn what our motors and ourselves are
       capable of, we have had a few relative novices in our group who
       have come out with us and learnt what thier vehicles and they
       are capable of with thier confidence growing each time
       being long weekends (4 days with 2 days laning and 2 days
       travelling) it also gives us a good excuse for fires, alcohol
       and meat along with the odd roadside repair, no more than 3
       halfshafts in the last 4 years from the core group of 7 vehicles
       (apart from 1 early gearbox failure before leaving the midlands
       and one 4.203 deciding to go into runaway mode), the last
       weekend saw 14 vehicles gathered and ZERO breakdowns with a
       minimum mileage of 420miles and one chap (Oddjob) exceeding 600
       miles (ok my clutch played up but i completed the weekend
       without too much difficulty)
       also being Series Only weekends any problems that do crop up we
       can generally deal with amongst ourselves
       i have also been greenlaning with the local Mudclub members a
       couple of times (all manner of boingy things generally on 1 day
       outings) and whilst it was still enjoyed i do prefer the Series
       Only weekends which have vehicles ranging from scruffy but
       historically interesting to the odd "show level" restorations in
       our outings, of course we have the bitsas as well
       this forum along with others between them have enough
       outings/events to keep you out there for a really big part of
       the year if you can get to them, all you need to do is keep your
       eyes open, i think i already have at least 5 in my diary for
       next year, 3 trips to Wales, LaT'P and Banbury Rally
       (steam/vintage vehicle show) and possibly another Sibbertoft
       Dirty Weekend (PnP plus laning) if it doesn't clash with another
       event, ok only 3 of them are laning trips but the socialising is
       a really big part of it for me
       i've also been on 1 PnP with "bellends in d*scos" and watched
       them gleefully wreck them, that's not for me
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