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How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series IIA ?
By: ferretjuggler Date: September 14, 2014, 4:33 pm
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I've got to admit that I'm kinda tempted to do a rivet counter
job on my '69 SWB petrol.
Not concourse or anything like that shit.
But just nicely restored and mint condition.
All the galvanised bits will have to be redone properly.
Nice straight looking panels with no visible dings or obvious
filler.
The transmission, axles, and steering will all have to be
overhauled properly, I'll want it to drive like it was brand
new, not the "well worn" feel that my current truck has.
OK so that lot, along with getting a nice mint chassis and
bulkhead, is going to cost a fair bit.
But on the S2C forums, they're talking about £30-40, 000 being
a "reasonable" amount to spend on a full restoration.
:WTF
How the FUCK are they managing to spend that much ???
Either my estimates on prices are way off or they're fitting
bits made from 24 carat gold.
#Post#: 92805--------------------------------------------------
Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: GlenAnderson Date: September 14, 2014, 5:29 pm
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I suppose it depends if you're paying someone for their labour?
A Richard's chassis and a Pegasus bulkhead would form the
foundation of my "ideal" rebuild. That's the best part of £4K as
a start. A Turner engine isn't going to leave much change from
£2.5K and a Whitehouse gearbox must be £800 by now. Roverdrive
is another £1K, decent springs are going to be £500, wiring loom
£150... We're up to the best part of £9K now... A decent donor
vehicle too, something with straight panels but knackered
chassis and tired running gear, well anything from £500 up to,
well maybe £2K for something both tax and MoT exempt. Rebuilding
axles and sourcing all the other bits and bobs, well who knows.
Factor in a further £500-£2K for paint, depending on your
abilities and it all adds up. I'd reckon you could spend £12-15K
easily doing all the work yourself. Mine cost somewhere around
£10K to do I reckon, but that cost has been spread over 20
years, some of which was "maintenance" rather than restoration.
If you wanted it done quick and were paying a garage to do it
for you, well £30K doesn't sound so difficult. I mean, a new 90
or 110 can cost that, and that's with access to all the parts
and assembly on a production line.
Glen.
#Post#: 92806--------------------------------------------------
Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: Arjan Date: September 15, 2014, 1:24 am
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What the man just said - having it done by a company will add
serious money to the bill. VAT to mention also a not too small
thing.
When we did the Hybrid in the 90's we once did the sums and got
a bit depressed, sought professional help and are now very happy
with the thing...
#Post#: 92810--------------------------------------------------
Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: mr.scruff Date: September 15, 2014, 4:16 am
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[quote author=ferretjuggler link=topic=8624.msg92804#msg92804
date=1410730435]
I've got to admit that I'm kinda tempted to do a rivet counter
job on my '69 SWB petrol.
Not concourse or anything like that shit.
But just nicely restored and mint condition.
All the galvanised bits will have to be redone properly.
Nice straight looking panels with no visible dings or obvious
filler.
The transmission, axles, and steering will all have to be
overhauled properly, I'll want it to drive like it was brand
new, not the "well worn" feel that my current truck has.
OK so that lot, along with getting a nice mint chassis and
bulkhead, is going to cost a fair bit.
But on the S2C forums, they're talking about £30-40, 000 being
a "reasonable" amount to spend on a full restoration.
:WTF
How the FUCK are they managing to spend that much ???
Either my estimates on prices are way off or they're fitting
bits made from 24 carat gold.
[/quote]
And you end up with...... a Series IIA Land Rover
I can think of plenty of other things I'd rather spunk £30k on
but then I like the fact that old Land Rovers are, well, old.
Horses for courses
#Post#: 92814--------------------------------------------------
Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: Peter de Dawg Date: September 15, 2014, 12:13 pm
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30 grand....must be on fuckin' drugs to even contemplate it....
rofl
#Post#: 92876--------------------------------------------------
Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: NoelC Date: September 17, 2014, 4:46 am
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I think those people that advocate/are spending £30-40k may well
be getting a top-notch restoration, not an immaculate rebuild.
There is a massive difference. Effectively building a brand new
series Land Rover isn't hard. Pretty much everything is
available new, apart from maybe the bodywork side of things like
a tub. Restoring something is usually much more time consuming
than simply replacing with new it and many people consider a
vehicle only original and desirable if it is on it's original
chassis, axles etc. I'd wager repairing a rusty chassis to
factory standard takes more time than building a new one, and I
wouldn't bother myself, but for some people it's the only way to
go.
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Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: ferretjuggler Date: September 17, 2014, 9:12 pm
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Fools Paradise is the phrase that comes to mind TBH.
OK so some things you just can't cut corners with.
Like gearboxes.
You could buy a dozen used ones and still be crunching synchro
rings.
No alternative to spending money on a quality rebuild if you
want a really good one.
But £2,500 for a recon petrol engine ???
When there are good used ones strewn about everywhere?
The same goes for axles.
You can hardly give away a good 4.7 diff.
Sounds like a case of spending money for the sake of it to me.
#Post#: 93045--------------------------------------------------
Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: woollen797 Date: September 23, 2014, 7:29 am
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I've been looking at cost of rebuilding my series 3 and by time
I'd costed chassis, bulkhead, road springs etc I was over £4,500
then there is time spent doing work just so I can have a usable
motor now looking at plan B buy a tax exempt series in good
condition but they seem to of shot up in price worse still there
are hardly any 109's out there.
#Post#: 93065--------------------------------------------------
Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: fuckwit Date: September 24, 2014, 5:47 am
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If I added up waht I've spent over the years I am ashamed to
admit it has to be somewhere in the high teens to low twenties.
Only thing is, I had not set out to spend that much. Which if
you stop to think makes it all the more stupid.
By the time you've done and galv'ed everything you're at six to
seven, (because it is never just the galving) stick on a few
toys like Roverdrives, disc brakes, ACR parts and you're at
10-12. Add in soundproofing (done properly mind) and all the
other little additions and factor in my passion for obscure LR
parts and I'm at twenty. Dong it prperly alwys adds hundreds
here, and there. The bills don't stop. Most of the work I did
myslef, but had I paid for labour I can see thirty pretty
easily, maybe more.
Right now I will happliy admit that if you gave me the cash I'd
take it. So,"How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a
series IIA ?" Crazy or not, it happens.
I can telll you now you'll not get an agreed value for anything
like £30K, which sort of cements the argument.
But mine got nicked anyway, however that's another twist.
To quote Ferretjuggler in a similar vein: "The more money that
has been sunk into it the bigger bargain you will get."
Agreed - If you do spend that much on one, and I see hwo you
could - you'll not see £30K again.
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Re: How the fuck do you spend over £30K on rebuilding a series I
IA ?
By: ferretjuggler Date: September 24, 2014, 4:45 pm
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If it has made you happy then it was money well spent.
Alternatively you could spend all your life saving every last
penny.
When you get old all your relatives will get excited every time
you get a chest infection.
I think what I can't understand is why people insist on fixing
things that ain't busted in the first place.
Cheque book mentality?
And especially annoying are those who having spent a fortune on
their vehicle, get very angry when no one will buy it off them
at a ridiculously high price.
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