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       #Post#: 86591--------------------------------------------------
       brakes
   DIR By: neverupright
       Date: March 24, 2014, 12:33 pm
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       Hi all, the brakes on my series 3 diesel, are useless, unless I
       pump the pedal a couple of times and then they are quite good,
       me thinks I have a problem, Help!!!
       cheers
       carl
       #Post#: 86592--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: hippydave
       Date: March 24, 2014, 1:17 pm
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       sound like they need bleeding or you have a leak in the system
       somewhere or the master cylinder could be dicky
       #Post#: 86595--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: RMS
       Date: March 24, 2014, 1:29 pm
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       In my experience, double-dipping is often down to brake
       adjustment.
       If the shoes are not almost touching the drum, the first push
       moves them towards the drum and the second push makes them work.
       Easy to test - press the pedal once and release, wait 10 seconds
       or so then press again. If you don't get any braking then it's
       probably an adjustment problem.
       Double-dipping quickly means you push the shoes out again before
       they have had a chance to retract fully.
       Cheers,
       Robin.
       #Post#: 86599--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: Doug_T
       Date: March 24, 2014, 3:00 pm
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       ^^^WHS, particularly if your vehicle is 109 flavour.
       #Post#: 86634--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: bubble
       Date: March 25, 2014, 2:00 pm
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       Does sound like adjustment to me. Lift each end of said vehicle
       (one end at a time) and turn one of the adjusters on one wheel
       clockwise until it stops. The wheel should be locked. Back the
       adjuster off a couple of clicks until wheel rotates freely but
       the shoe can just be heard rubbing on the drum. Do the same with
       the other adjuster on the same wheel and then move onto the
       other wheel. Then do the same with the other end of the Landy.
       If one or more of the adjusters just keep turning round then
       they're fubared and need changing. If after adjustment you still
       have to pump up then you may need to bleed the system. If you
       need to bleed them there are 101 different ways to do it but
       this is my favorite method and worked for me. (look at the
       bottom of the page)
  HTML http://www.seriesdiesellandrover.com/footbrake2.html
       #Post#: 86786--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: jessejazza
       Date: March 30, 2014, 6:01 pm
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       --- Quote from: bubble link ---
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       >
  HTML http://www.seriesdiesellandrover.com/footbrake2.html
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       Link doesn't seem to work.
       #Post#: 86807--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: pesto
       Date: March 31, 2014, 1:07 pm
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       --- Quote from: jessejazza link ---
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       > [quote author=bubble link=topic=7888.msg86634#msg86634
       date=1395774025]
       >
  HTML http://www.seriesdiesellandrover.com/footbrake2.html
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       Link doesn't seem to work.
       [/quote]
       For me the link is working fine.
       #Post#: 86825--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: niteram
       Date: March 31, 2014, 4:30 pm
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       works for me, good article
       #Post#: 86844--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: jessejazza
       Date: April 1, 2014, 4:03 pm
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       --- Quote from: niteram link ---
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       > works for me, good article
       --- End Quote ---
       Does for me as well now - so last time they must have been doing
       some website maintenance (or something). Don't agree with the
       bleeding brakes though. If you haven't modified the TLS set up
       (i.e. bleed nipples at bottom) - just reverse bleed is
       easiest... and that's how I believe LR intended them to be done.
       It's the same for all TLS car set ups - instead of routing the
       supply pipe to the bottom cylinder which is a bit messy, just
       put in the top and reverse bleed.Reverse bleeding is so much
       easier than 'assistant method' - as one person can do it.
       #Post#: 86847--------------------------------------------------
       Re: brakes
   DIR By: niteram
       Date: April 1, 2014, 4:45 pm
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       I've been having similar problems with my 6 pot brakes, I'd
       previously bled them to death with no improvement in pedal feel.
       but I've now fitted new front hoses (cos 1 was spitting) and new
       adjusters (cos they didn't), adjusted them up and bled again.
       the brakes are now much better, I've not done the rears yet, but
       hope doing that will help a bit more.
       btw my brakes are all still piped as landrover intended.
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