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(Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: SteamPunk Date: March 15, 2014, 5:33 pm
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Steam, but perhaps not as you know it? Some pics regarding
modern steam plant, aboard the SS British Innovator, one of BP's
Trader Class LNG Carriers.
I say modern. There is nothing mechanical here that a marine
engineer from thirty years ago won't recognise. The ECR, on the
other hand. . . . :lousyputer:
Big numbers :) Makers plate on stbd boiler (one of two),
superheater outlet in normal operation around 58Bar, 540C
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Engine Control Room.
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Port 440V Switchboard
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The modern seafarer at work ::) - Fresh Water Generators
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Main Engines
Silver box at top of pic, HP Turbine (stbd side - 10 stages).
Silver semicircle below, LP turbine (port side - 8 stages,
astern turbine immediately ahead on same shaft).
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Facing Aft
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What is sez on it.
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My best side, in the workshop.
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Where the coal goes? (Top fired furnace gives improved flame
length and longer heat transfer time, boiler fired by gas or
heavy fuel fith air or dteam atomisation, hence a shitload of
pipe.
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Local Control of boiler Firing.
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Pretty Pics
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Not so pretty. Don't know the story I'm afraid.
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:smilewide:
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Endless technical photos available, if wanted :thumbs:
#Post#: 86339--------------------------------------------------
Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: Dave Date: March 15, 2014, 6:37 pm
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Cool. And I thought all ships these days were diesel-engined.
#Post#: 86341--------------------------------------------------
Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: chally2 Date: March 16, 2014, 4:06 am
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Takes me back. I was with P&O Nedlloyd so big diesels. I see
you had to wear hard hats in the engine room. I'm very glad
Nedlloyd didn't bring that in for us. Have you heard of a guy
called Tom Martindale. He went through Warsash with me. Back
in 2000. He had a reputation for getting into trouble.
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Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: SteamPunk Date: March 16, 2014, 5:51 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=7864.msg86339#msg86339
date=1394926671]
Cool. And I thought all ships these days were diesel-engined.
[/quote]
Very nearly :). BP has plenty of oil tankers so I do diesels
too, only low speed two strokes so far although the company does
have one class of ships with medium speed four strokes (dual
fuel).
Steam lived on in new build gas carriers until very recently
because of the way the cargo is carried. LNG carriers don't hold
the cargo under pressure, it is kept in a liquid state by
keeping it cold (-180ish) and it is kept cold by the endothermic
effect of expansion from liquid to gas/natural warming results
in the expulsion of gases etc. That gas has to go somewhere so
for the sake of economy and safety it gets burnt to run the
ship. However, in the absence of gas, or to conserve gas when
the relative prices make it worthwhile to do so, the propulsion
machinery must also be able to operate on heavy fuel. Heavy fuel
is only one very small step above road tar in the refracting
column and until recently no engine had been designed that could
run on either HFO or LNG - let alone both together, the only
option was to build a steam ship and burn it to run a boiler :).
Less than ten years ago Wartsila, I think, developed medium
speed four stroke engines which could run on either fuel by
utilising pilot diesel injection to initiate combustion when
running on gas. For various cost projection reasons no one could
say for sure which was the better option for a long time,
however, I understand that Kawasaki have recently dropped steam
propulsion from their standard price lists so it seems a
decision has been made. The industry is on the cusp of
developing the dual fuel two stroke and then that will be the
final nail in the coffin for new build steam ships, until then,
it could still go either way. LNG carriers cost a shitload to
build though (lining the tanks with Invar is a factor ::) ),
which means they have to last a long time. Steam is unlikely to
disappear from the seas in my working lifetime and I'm only 26.
As for why steam died out everywhere else? The Innovator's main
propulsion machinery produces roughly 39500 shaft horse power at
MCR and uses 140tons of HFO a day to do that (on liquid fuel
alone). My first ship, the MV Najran, a couple of years older
than the Innovator, managed about 45000shp on 80 tons a day. HFO
is around $640 a ton.
On the plus side, a marine two stroke has a lot more in common
with a proper steam engine than one of these whirly propeller
jobbies :thumbs:
chally2, I cant shake the feeling I've heard that name before
but I'm afraid I don't know him. Met a second mate on the trip
before last who was ex P&O via the RFA (I think that is the
right way around) Decent guy, liked landys, Gary but I can't
recall his surname just now.
Standard minimum PPE in the engine room is overalls, boots, ear
defenders, bash hat and safety glasses. I don't mind the hat too
much, but juggling normal safety glasses with ear defenders is a
pain. I have to admit though, I did one cadet trip with UASC
(negative ppe of all kinds) and too much definitely beats not
enough. . . .
I didn't set out to write that much :rolleye0012:
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Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: clemo902 Date: March 20, 2014, 12:45 pm
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Great pics there !
It's hard to imagine just how much space all that takes up and
how many levels the engine room covers.
What is a typical propshaft rpm?
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Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: SteamPunk Date: March 22, 2014, 12:18 pm
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NSR (normal service rating, about 18 knots) was 86rpm. MCR
(maximum continuous rating, about 22kts) was 93rpm. (If memory
serves). There is a vague correlation between ship size and
shaft speed, because there is a link between ship size and prop
size. This does not apply to service speeds because prop pitches
will differ. For example, my ship before this one was a diesel
tanker which also had a maximum shaft rpm of around 93rpm, which
equated to 14kts downhill with the wind behind you.
Tempting to put the floor plans up, do we care that much? The
tank top, the lowest normally accessible part of the engine
room, is about 11m below the waterline on a ship of this type.
From the funnel deck to the tank top is 9 decks, each deck being
between one and two stories of a normal house, so lets say about
12 stories from top to bottom and (very roughly) 50m square,
with a few protrusions and indentations here and there. Plus
outside machinery. A smaller ship would have pretty much all the
same stuff in, just with smaller gaps between the machinery :)
#Post#: 86673--------------------------------------------------
Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: gp3trainee Date: March 27, 2014, 9:05 am
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"Standard minimum PPE in the engine room is overalls, boots, ear
defenders, bash hat and safety glasses."
Cor, how things change. In my day (70's through to early 90's)
typical dress for the older engineers on steam ships was:
- boiler suit open to below crotch level (buttons had all fallen
off through crew dhobying them in degreasant)
- optional beer gut worn proudly outside boiler suit, complete
with steam pipe burns across it
- optional skiddies
- boots worn with no laces, for ease of shedding before entering
the accommodation
- ear defenders
;D ;D
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Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: chally2 Date: March 27, 2014, 1:25 pm
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[quote author=gp3trainee link=topic=7864.msg86673#msg86673
date=1395929118]
"Standard minimum PPE in the engine room is overalls, boots, ear
defenders, bash hat and safety glasses."
Cor, how things change. In my day (70's through to early 90's)
typical dress for the older engineers on steam ships was:
- boiler suit open to below crotch level (buttons had all fallen
off through crew dhobying them in degreasant)
- optional beer gut worn proudly outside boiler suit, complete
with steam pipe burns across it
- optional skiddies
- boots worn with no laces, for ease of shedding before entering
the accommodation
- ear defenders
;D ;D
[/quote]
That's what it was for me back in 2001.
I kept the beer belly when I left.
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Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: chally2 Date: March 27, 2014, 1:34 pm
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A different life.
That bastard ( a stuffing box) fell on my hand a trip later of
the South African coast. Had to be air lifted off
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Re: (Fairly) Modern Steam and Ship Phots.
By: gp3trainee Date: March 28, 2014, 4:08 pm
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As, Chally, your picture brings back memories. That's how I
remember engine rooms looking on the occasions I was down there
doing the FF and safety gear while 3rd Mate.
By comparison, Steampunk's space looks good enough to eat in
(better than some of the saloons I knew).
So, any other ex-MN on here? So far, we've got Steampunk still
serving, and two ex seafarers.
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