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#Post#: 83693--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: genem
Date: January 10, 2014, 3:27 am
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Why not go for coil springs why you are at it. Far more
confortable ride, better articulation and .......
:rolleye0012:
#Post#: 83694--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: NoelC
Date: January 10, 2014, 4:07 am
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--- Quote from: Sunny Jim link ---
>
> I am always intrigued why people think the ability to lock up
the wheels is a measure of how good their brakes are
--- End Quote ---
Probably because your braking efficiency is beyond that of the
available traction, i.e. greater than the tyres and the road
surface. Granted it has its flaws but not a bad measure really,
all things considered. Running both the Santana kit on the 88
alongside standard drums on the 109 there can be no dispute the
discs are better, but now I have the 109 set up properly it's
not as great a difference as some may think.
I can't help but think there must be a way of using dead boingy
componentry more easily and cheaply on a series than these kits,
especially when you consider the Discgays some of us are killing
for their Tdi lumps and diffs.
#Post#: 83699--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: genem
Date: January 10, 2014, 5:49 am
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Might as well go the whole hog then, chuck the leafer away and
fix the boingy....
I'm afraid I don't get the idea behind taking an old vehicle and
"improving" it until the only difference between it and a modern
vehicle is a few battered body panels, other than giving
yourself a bit of an engineering challenge. I can just about see
sticking a more economical engine in ....
Hey ho, different strokes for different folks.
#Post#: 83700--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: NoelC
Date: January 10, 2014, 6:30 am
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I see both sides to this one. If you drop a Tdi in to a series
you're almost doubling the power it was built with and it stands
to reason you'll probably be traveling faster in a given
situation than you would be with the factory series power unit
and want to stop more quickly too. Land Rover themselves
de-rated the V8 in stage one application from 135bhp to 92bhp
after all.
Add to that the bother many of us have had with modern
sub-standard pattern braking components and it stands to reason
a percentage of people like the idea of a factory disc setup. I
do, but just as much for the reason genuine bits can be easily
sourced and used as much as the actual disc vs drum change.
You can probably guess I have my finger in many pies, the '66
109 and '66 ambulance are mechanically original other than
Turner unleaded stage one heads and electronic ignition and I
wouldn't want them any other way.
The 88 is an exercise in how far you can, within reason, take
the 4 cylinder petrol - a 2.5 unit, stage two head, tubular
intake and exhaust manifolds, performance exhaust system and SU
carb that sports all from ACR. Now I'd never have paid the best
part of £2,000 price tag for all these goodies, £500 the lot I
gave and I don't feel robbed. The disc brake kit was free as it
came off another motor I bought.
The left hooker lightweight will go Tdi as the idea behind that
is to do a bit of euroleafing and more economy with a greater
turn of speed won't go unnoticed. I'll be interested to see how
well the standard brakes deal with it. :eek: :smile1
#Post#: 83702--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Doug_T
Date: January 10, 2014, 7:02 am
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Couple of other observations:
1) The biggest ones will be the Heystee / ROAM kits that use the
big discs and pads from the boingies.
2) The easiest ones to maintain (once you have the discs and
pads) will be those from Zeus; all the others require removal of
the hub to replace the disc.
3) The only ones that let you use the original wheels (without
spacers) are the ones that use the boingy discs, thereby setting
the caliper well inboard of the wheel, or the Santana ones.
#Post#: 83717--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Alien
Date: January 10, 2014, 2:51 pm
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Hi there.
I've had disk brakes on my s3 for almost 20 years now and I
would not go back to drums in the same way I wouldn't fit cross
ply tyres on it.
I think the disk conversion consists on Mercedes 308 calipers
with Santana disks (apparently available from Brembo via EBay)
I never had any problems fitting the kit, it required the use of
a grinder to remove a bit of the hub for caliper clearance and
some modified brake pipe.
I will see if my local parts place can get the brake disks if
there is any demand from here.
Alien
#Post#: 83720--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Albert Ross
Date: January 10, 2014, 4:35 pm
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I use un-servoed singe circuit drums on my daily drive 109,
which (as those of you who know me will agree) is normally full
of shit (like me) and I'm not dead yet. I use the blue-box
specials for parts, and they behave perfectly if a little
squealy when cold. I guess I#m a lucky one, and living with a
time bomb etc. I do find, however, that remembering that I'm
driving a 44 year old commercial vehicle, first designed and
built 56 years ago, tends to focus me. I leave gaps, and keep my
eyes on the job of driving. Also, the 2286 diesel helps me to
leave gaps.
#Post#: 83765--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: john stone
Date: January 11, 2014, 3:38 pm
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THANKS FOR THAT ADVICE.
I'M 150 YEARS OLD AND MISS THE STANLEY STEAMER.
I'VE GOT 12 YEAR OLD IMBICILES DRIVING UNDER MY REAR BUMPER.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE KIND OF BRAKES ON IT THAT WOULD
DISCOURAGE THIS ANTIC.
I LIVE IN MORONIC MEXBOROUGH AND THIS STUFF IS NORMAL.
LIKE YOU,I DRIVE WITHIN THE CAPABILITIES OF THE VEHICLE,LEAVE
GAPS AND SIGNAL MY INTENTIONS IN ADVANCE.
MOST ROUND HERE SIGNAL AFTER THEY HAVE LOCKED UP AND SQUARE
TURNED RIGHT FROM THE LEFT LANE IN A BI-TURBO WHEELIE BIN.
DO THEY DO A DISC CONVERTION,OR IS SOMEBODY YANKING MY CHAIN?
CHEERS,JOHN
#Post#: 83768--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: kev
Date: January 11, 2014, 3:47 pm
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John, turn your caps lock off mate.
#Post#: 83777--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Gozo_Joseph
Date: January 11, 2014, 4:09 pm
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hi
sorry i did not want to start a debate earlier on, it was just a
couple of questions to make sure if a conversion was worth the
while. once i was reading a lot about such conversions but they
most of time ask for brake servo etc etc and other bits
but anyhow. if you still interested there is a set up on ebay -
see in the ebay section i dropped a topic titled zeus. the bloke
also added their site in the listing. the kit is used and i am
not sure if it is just the front set up only.
as said above most people end up with an old car and try to
upgrade it to modern standards. instead of just moving on to
newer / more up to date cars. to each his own. i for me am
running a pretty standard series and dont wish to mess a lot
with it. not a rivet counter but most of time i feel it is as
thrilling an ownership as having a heavily modified series
cheers.
joe
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