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#Post#: 83642--------------------------------------------------
DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: john stone
Date: January 9, 2014, 11:16 am
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HI,
I'VE RECENTLY BOUGHT A '68 SERIES 2A.
I'M TOLD THERE IS A DISC BRAKE CONVERTION AVAILABLE FOR THESE.
IF SO,WHERE DO WE GET IT AND WHAT KIND OF MONEY AM I LOOKING AT?
DOES IT TAKE BRAINS TO FIT IT,OR WOULD I MANAGE?
THANKS,
JOHN
#Post#: 83656--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: strang
Date: January 9, 2014, 1:01 pm
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There are several options available, but Heystee
HTML http://www.heystee-automotive.com/onlineshop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=59<br
/>spring to mind. Have a google around
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Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: NoelC
Date: January 9, 2014, 1:20 pm
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Yep, there are several options summarised well here:
HTML http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/discBrake.htm
HTML http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/discBrake.htm
Welcome to the forum, but PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! :thumbs:
#Post#: 83666--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Gozo_Joseph
Date: January 9, 2014, 1:36 pm
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Hi welcome aboard i come from malta so sunny weather may
influence my thinking :-? I dont want to disturb the british
economy as well ;) {i have a lwb sereis 3 (very stock/standard
and with single line no servo brakes) which appear to be doing
fine in well kept order}
What drive styles do you have?
what engine is in the landy?
what wheelbase is the landy ?
any particular reasons why you are interested in a disc brake
conversion ?
joe ::)
PS if it is purely a matter of having too much a penny then drop
some across water :smilewide:
#Post#: 83670--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: divie
Date: January 9, 2014, 2:27 pm
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Disc brake conversions are available, the question I always ask
when this is mentioned is why? There is nothing wrong with
standard brakes other than the inability of people to set them
up. Especially if the 11" front drums of a 109 or late model 88
are used. With 11" drums, mintex linings and careful assembly I
can lock the fronts up at will. The only non standard part of my
set up on a 2,25 diesel is an electric vacuum pump, this was
mainly fitted to eliminate the worn butterfly flap arrangement.
So many people have buggered about with discs and ended up with
inferior braking.
#Post#: 83677--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Arjan
Date: January 9, 2014, 3:31 pm
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It is very much an individual choice to convert to discs - or
not. I can not comment on others. We had several reasons to go
for the conversion - one being the use of the Hybrid.
We have Zeus discs on the Series Hybrid and are very happy with
them.
It will cost serious money though, whatever conversion you'd
buy..
Make sure the insurance company knows about the conversion.
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Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: NoelC
Date: January 9, 2014, 4:28 pm
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--- Quote from: divie link ---
>
> There is nothing wrong with standard brakes other than the
inability of people to set them up.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd agree with that for the most part however one thing that
can't be overlooked is drum brakes from the series era worked
the best with asbestos linings, as they were initially designed
to do. This photo did the rounds a while ago, after replacing
everything with new quality componentry (Mintex. Lockheed etc)
there is no way my 101 would do this:
HTML http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/Poptopshed/101b.jpg
My '66 109 will lock up all four with no servo if you can be
arsed to push the pedal hard enough, they are exceptionally keen
for series brakes but I'm sure the performance would be superior
with asbestos linings.
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Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Sunny Jim
Date: January 9, 2014, 4:59 pm
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--- Quote ---
> I can lock the fronts up at will
--- End Quote ---
I can see the same arguments coming out as every time anyone
asks this question, the poster actually asked what rather than
why! I am always intrigued why people think the ability to lock
up the wheels is a measure of how good their brakes are, the
main advantage of discs is the ability to brake more firmly
without locking up, this is simply an effect of the mechanics.
I have had my Land Rover for 35 years and fitted discs about 15
years ago so I simply would not go back to the old drum set up.
Before anyone asks, I am perfectly capable of setting up drum
brakes, but the discs give better performance under heavy
braking! They are obviously easier to set up than the twin
leading system, judging by the number of posts that appear on
this and other forums on the subject.
Back to the what. There are several options such as Heijstee,
Zeus, Rocky Mountain and all will work OK. I have the early
Santana set up that came from Spanish built vehicles in the 80s
and 90s, this is no longer available and discs are currently
unobtainable in this country. Calipers and pads are from a
Mercedes and still easily obtainalble.
Probably the best option is to go for a set up that converts to
use standard Land Rover calipers and discs as this will make
spares purchases easy in the coming years. Fitting of recent
kits should be an easy bolt job, but it is normal to have to fit
new hubs, therefore new bearings are the best way to go - these
can be installed before starting the job properly. Also check if
the kit will fit standard wheels otherwise you may need wheel
spacers or different wheels - you don't say what wheels you
have.
You don't say what model you have, but on my 88" I was advised
to upgrade to a Series 3 type servo brake pedal box, and use a
LWB master cylinder. Mine is a 1960, but I had already converted
to a separate brake and clutch reservoir so this was relatively
easy to do. You do need to elongate the pedal slot to take the
new pedal, and carefully cut a bit out of the wing top to
accomodate the servo (I am assuming yours is a RHD vehicle). I
kept a single circuit brake system for simplicity so only
replace what was necessary in terms of brake pipes. Check what
flexible hoses you get with the set up, as they will probably be
metric and therefore you may have to replace/modify the front
metal pipes.
The biggest drawback of a front disc upgrade is there is still a
tendency to lock up the rear drums, so I only have a standard
Series 3 servo. Normal braking doesn't feel significantly
different, but when braking from any speed, the discs bite
nicely and give a good confidence inspiring stop. I may well
look at going for rear discs at some time in the future, but
these will need to be a kit designed for the job and properly
balanced so as to not overbrake the rear.
The actual job took me a day and a half, including going out to
get the brake pipes made up. I now have a flaring kit and make
my own, so that would be quicker!
People say that the kits are expensive, which is true overall,
but if you were to upgrade to bigger drums using all new parts,
then the cost difference may be a lot less! The biggest capital
layout is in new hubs, and in some cases, swivel housings as
these normally last the life of the vehicle.
I currently use Delphi pads as these seem to be the best
available for my set up, but my current discs are coming to the
end of their useful lives. I got some spares in whilst I could,
one set being imported by Britpart, presumably from Spain, where
I bet they are still obtainable!
If you want any other advice, you might be best to PM me - it is
sad that technical queries like this often decend into silly
arguments, rather than being informative for other forum members
who may be interested!
See:
HTML http://www.heystee-automotive.com/
and:
HTML http://www.rockymountainspares.co.uk/?page_id=41
although
they say these are not available at the moment
You might get a second hand take off kit, but beware of the
early Santana kits if the discs are worn out!
Sunny Jim
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Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: Arjan
Date: January 10, 2014, 2:47 am
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We have discs borth front & rear, as said, from Zeus.
Zeus suggests using a Disco I brake balancing valve (..) for the
rear brakes to prevent lock up on the rear. So far, we did not
find need for that - prob. enough weight on the rear axle with
all the junk we carry in the back..
We did the conversion in a day, including the hours journey to
get to him
[URL=
HTML http://s178.photobucket.com/user/wilderbrook/media/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP01Ontheroadagain.jpg.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/wilderbrook/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP01Ontheroadagain.jpg[/img][/URL]
This came off the front and was re-used when we rebuild another
88"
[URL=
HTML http://s178.photobucket.com/user/wilderbrook/media/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP03FrontDrumBrakeoff.jpg.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/wilderbrook/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP03FrontDrumBrakeoff.jpg[/img][/URL]
Fitting is basically striping the old brakes off and bolting on
the new stuff
[URL=
HTML http://s178.photobucket.com/user/wilderbrook/media/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP08VeryNicefittingoriginalbrakepipeused.jpg.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/wilderbrook/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP08VeryNicefittingoriginalbrakepipeused.jpg[/img][/URL]
Bare rear axle..
[URL=
HTML http://s178.photobucket.com/user/wilderbrook/media/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP07Rearmountingplate.jpg.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/wilderbrook/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP07Rearmountingplate.jpg[/img][/URL]
The brake pipe didn't need any mod and went straight on
[URL=
HTML http://s178.photobucket.com/user/wilderbrook/media/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP09Bledandreadyforuse.jpg.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/wilderbrook/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP09Bledandreadyforuse.jpg[/img][/URL]
We found the FC rims fauled the calipers and used steel Disco I
rims - Yes we have 30 mm spacers
[URL=
HTML http://s178.photobucket.com/user/wilderbrook/media/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP11DiscoRimfitsnicely.jpg.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/wilderbrook/Series%20Hybrid%20Conversion/Schijfrem%20Conversie%20Hybrid/DBP11DiscoRimfitsnicely.jpg[/img][/URL]
Serious money but well worth it we think.
#Post#: 83691--------------------------------------------------
Re: DISC BRAKES FOR SERIES 2A?
DIR By: divie
Date: January 10, 2014, 3:09 am
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I agree Sunny Jim, the ability to lock up brakes is not an
indication of how good brakes are. It was an expression of the
drums ability that I could not think of a way to explain.
I had my first Land Rover a 109 series 2 in 1971/72. I have run
a series of some sort ever since and never found them wanting in
the brake department,with the exception of when they are
immersed in water. My V8 110 is far superior at handling a good
dunking in water with its disc/drum set up.
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