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#Post#: 80515--------------------------------------------------
Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: BenzR over
Date: November 21, 2013, 11:12 am
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:( Hmmm. feels funny posting here, I've just been in the Tap
Room and things 'aint running smoothly below the surface
I wouldn't class myself being in the inner circle, more a
"user," a newbie at OLLR compared to those who have spent a lot
of time and effort to make it what it is
And what it is, is the best place to speak to like minded idiots
who all have a similar interest, beer!
I'm saddened to read that all the efforts put in to running this
forum have resulted in the break down of some long term
friendships, because as a "user" I've found myself welcomed by
the people here, even though I contribute nothing!
That said, I don't know enough, so will continue to stick my
head in the sand and post here, hoping that everything gets
miraculously better, cos' I really like OLLR and all the people
I've met through OLLR
Back to Land Rover's....
I've the chance to look at a reasonably local LWB series 1
that's for sale
The vehicle has been completely stripped and is in boxes and
coffee jars, the owner has no V5, (but thinks there is one for
the vehicle??) the engine and gearbox are 80 miles away in a
friends garage, the owner has no idea of age, or if it's a 107
or a 109?
I've been looking at photos and note some have what I would call
"series 1" halfshafts on the back, some have what I would call
"normal sticky out" halfshafts?
Who should have what type, and how can you tell if they're
series 2/3 axles?
I have asked regarding the engine, the position of the oil
filter and distributor, hoping to establish whether it's a
Siamese, spreadbore or later 2.25 unit, but still no reply
What I'm after is info on any distinguishing features to look
for, to try and identify exactly what's for sale?
Any help gratefully appreciated
Ken.
Proud to be associated with OLLR
#Post#: 80520--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: NoelC
Date: November 21, 2013, 12:55 pm
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Does it have any number plates attached? If so a look on the
DVLA website would at least give you the first year of
registration if it is indeed still registered and that would
point to it being a 107 or 109, unless it was at the awkward
crossover point. 1956 the 109 was launched, and 1957 the fully
floating halfshafts.
#Post#: 80550--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: Roveerman
Date: November 21, 2013, 2:56 pm
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Have a copy of "the original series one landrover" book if you
want to have a look.
#Post#: 80554--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: estwdjhn
Date: November 21, 2013, 3:27 pm
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> Who should have what type, and how can you tell if they're
series 2/3 axles?
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Series 1 axles are all narrower track than Series 2/3 axles.
Mechanically, as NoelC says, it's a case of pre-57 LWB's had
semi floating axles (flat hubs), post 57 (109" only) had fully
floating axles (sticky out type hubs).
IIRC the easiest way to tell a 107/109 apart is from the front
wings (the extra 2" is in the engine bay), but I can't remember
for the life of me exactly what to look for.
#Post#: 80587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: Lurch
Date: November 22, 2013, 1:44 am
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Chassis no.?
#Post#: 80616--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: mr.scruff
Date: November 22, 2013, 11:31 am
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The engine bay is exactly the same size, the only difference is
where the front axle sits.
If the front dumb irons are the same as a SII, with the hangers
right at the end of the chassis rail - it's a 109". If there's a
noticeable gap between the hanger and the end of the chassis
rail it's a 107".
A 107" should have a alloy front panel with four apetures, a 109
should have a steel one with a single hole.
#Post#: 80646--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: BenzR over
Date: November 22, 2013, 3:59 pm
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Cheers Kev,
That's just the kinda info I'm after
"Tonight Mathew, I'm going to be...Drew Pritchard," (well,
Sunday I'm gonna be Drew Pritchard)
"I like that, I don't like that..."
Ok, from what I've found out,
Looking at the engine from the front, dizzy on the right, oil
filter on the right, siamese engine
dizzy on the right, oil filter on the left, spreadbore engine
dizzy on the left, oil filter on the left = wrong engine!
Flat halfshaft ends, original rear axle 107 or 109, sticky out
fully floating halfshafts on the back, '57 on, or series two
axle?
Will measure the width of Frank's before I go, and take a tape
measure
Dumb iron position and front panel duely noted, many thanks
Other than that, It'll be down to chassis condition, which I
don't think would be a problem, leaving the bulkhead as the tie
breaker?
I'll take some photos, then if not of interest to me, I'll
forward the blokes details
#Post#: 80704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: Calum
Date: November 23, 2013, 11:32 am
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As for the wings, at the bottom of the wheel arch, to the rear
of the wheel (where a sill would be attached if it were a
IIa/III or whatever) there should be a bolt head. If its a 107",
the bolt head will be in the 'corner' of the panel. If it is a
109", the bolt will be 2" from the 'corner' of the panel. I hope
this makes sense (I have no decent pic to hand to show what I
mean!)
As per the IOE engine, the oil filter should be on the
left/nearside of the vehicle, with the dizzy and exhaust
manifold. Inlet and carb should be on the right/offside of the
engine (as if you are sat in the motor). This is how it is on a
6 pot, and I am pretty sure it is the same on a 2.0...
#Post#: 80794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: strang
Date: November 24, 2013, 11:41 am
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As stated, the easy way to tell the difference between 107 and
109 (or 86/88 for that matter) is to look for the bolt hole on
the bottom of the wing, and if its in the 'corner' its 86/107
and if its set back approx 2" its 109/88.
If he tells you the engine is a 2 litre diesel, and it turns out
to be a 109 - snap his hand off!
#Post#: 81109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Series 1 107 - 109 info needed please
DIR By: mr.scruff
Date: November 28, 2013, 4:23 am
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Wings can be changed though, chassis are generally as they
should be and if it's in bits who knows what parts could have
been changed? The wheel doesn't sit 'right' with the wrong wing
:o but at first glance you wouldn't tell.
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